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Re: A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2014, 10:44:PM »
The logs state time of 03:26 and 03:36, Jeremy said he called his father back shortly after he called him which he said was at 03:10. So what happened to the time in between?

This is the line the supporters often try to use:

Nevill phones Jeremy at 3:10 call last maybe a minute after Jeremy answered so it is 3:11-3:12 at the latest when it ends

3:11-3:12 Upon hanging up Nevill phones police and speaks to police for a least 5 minutes
3:11-3:12 Jeremy phones Nevill but the line is busy because he is speaking to police

3:13-3:25 Jeremy looks up the phone number of the Witham police station and dials but gets no answer so then looks up the Chelmsford station.

3:26 Jeremy phones Chelmsford.

What this scenario ignores is that this would require the call to Julie to be well after all the roomates say the call came- they said no later than 3:30 and most said much earlier than that. 
 
Also, it is bad enough for Jeremy to take the time to look up Witham instead of dialing 999.  After that failed why would he look up another station that might be unattended?  Why not dial 999 at that point?  In the meantime Witham was not unattended.  His excuse for not dialing 999 made no sense.   He said he didn't think it police repsonse would be any faster but if he waste over 10 minutes looking up phone numbers instead of dialing 999 then clearly that clearly impacts police response time.

If he didn't phone police until 3:36 then clearly that messes up things far more because the gap between when Nevill allegedly hung up the phone and Jeremy called police would be significantly greater.  But 9 minutes from then would mean Jeremy did not get off the phone with police until 3:45 and that he sped his ass off only to slow down like as snail the last mile.  3:36 is probably when the call ended and Jeremy supporters are much better off with making that argument than Jeremy calling at 3:36.

None of this helps suggest a call from Nevill though.  Jeremy claimin ghe got a busy signal doesn't even prove he actually tried to call WHF.  His conviction included him leaving the phone off the hook before he left so he would not even need to call to know the phone would get a busy signal.   But if he did call naturally he would get a busy signal.   The phone off the hook explains such so arguing that because Jeremy claims he got a busy signal that means the busy signal was because Nevill phoned police is fallacy.

The most important questions to ask those who think Nevill phoned police are:

1) why would West and Bonnett have not dispatched a car in response to Nevill's call?  The police were clearly called to respond on the basis of Jeremy's call not a call from anyone else.

2) Why would West ask Jeremy for information he already would have gotten from Nevill?  West clearly asked Jeremy for Sheila's name, age, the address and phone number of WHF, who was at WHF and other questions that Nevill alreayd would have answered.  Why would West ask such instead of telling Jeremy he already knew about the situation because he already spoke to Nevill?

Those who suggest Nevill called have to answer these questions and if they have no plausible answer then they have no reasonable way to suggest their position is plausible.       
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Re: A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2014, 10:48:PM »
I'm not reading that,I'm going to bed---------I'd end up cross-eyed.

One car WAS sent,minutes before the other !! Two cars---Two phone-calls.

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Re: A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2014, 01:13:AM »
I didn´t vote.
There probably was no call, but why use time on this, it proves nothing one way or the other. Guess it is Jeremy grabbing on to what he can, who wouldn´t.

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« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2014, 02:10:AM »
I didn´t vote.
There probably was no call, but why use time on this, it proves nothing one way or the other. Guess it is Jeremy grabbing on to what he can, who wouldn´t.

If guilty he knows there was no call, if innocent he should make sure that the claims aren't misleading and they are.
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Re: A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2014, 02:20:AM »
No push button immediate action then, it was a slow process of dialling 7 numbers and waiting each time for the dial to go back to nought before you could ring the next number.
Jeremy had a telephone with buttons. He needed to dial either 5 digits for a number on the same exchange or about 10 digits for a number on another exchange (or slightly fewer for a nearby exchange). If he needed to dial the same number again, he could push just one button to retry the last number tried.

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« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2014, 03:14:AM »
Oh god. I can't believe there is a poll on Jeremy's claim (decades later) that Neville rang the police.

It was desperate claim by Jeremy. One of several he did around the same time. Such as claiming there were conversations inside WHF, taking a lie detector test & contacting Hunter & Woffinden. All discussed.
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Re: A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2014, 07:31:AM »
The evidence clearly shows what it is, and that isn't a call from Neville.  It even states where the information came from, Nevill's son Jeremy.
No, it doesn't. It says that a message was passed by the son of Mr. Bamber. It doesn't explicitly state that this message gave the information that Pc West had called HQIR about at 03:26.

If you still disagree about that, post the full conversation that you think could have occurred between Pc West and Malcolm Bonnett. I don't mean a description of the conversation. I mean a plausible complete script for it.

I'll start it for you.

Bonnett: Information Room
Pc West: This is Pc 1990 at Chelmsford police station...

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« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2014, 07:41:AM »
No, it doesn't. It says that a message was passed by the son of Mr. Bamber. It doesn't explicitly state that this message gave the information that Pc West had called HQIR about at 03:26.

If you still disagree about that, post the full conversation that you think could have occurred between Pc West and Malcolm Bonnett. I don't mean a description of the conversation. I mean a plausible complete script for it.

I'll start it for you.

Bonnett: Information Room
Pc West: This is Pc 1990 at Chelmsford police station...

What do you make of Jeremy's conflicting claims about when he phoned Julie.

1. He phoned Julie after speaking to the police because he was p****d off with police.

2. He phoned Julie before the police, but couldn't speak for long because he needed to call the police.

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« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2014, 10:46:AM »
In September 1985, Jeremy said many times that he called Julie first, so version (2) is consistent with that and unremarkable. Nevertheless, he was badgered into agreeing with the reverse order if that was what his first statement said (but it wasn't). The solicitor present then put a stop to that line of questioning by advising Jeremy to stop answering.

Version (1) was in reply to the question "Why would you have phoned her up?" rather than a question about the order of the calls. Jeremy said "At the time I probably felt pissed off by my reaction from the police and needed a friendly ear."

After reading the entire interview, one realizes that Jeremy was somewhat wound up by the earlier badgering and that caused him to invent an answer off-the-cuff as he couldn't actually remember his reason. He could just as easily have said "At the time I was probably unsure what to do about dad's call and needed a friendly ear."

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« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2014, 11:05:AM »
In September 1985, Jeremy said many times that he called Julie first, so version (2) is consistent with that and unremarkable. Nevertheless, he was badgered into agreeing with the reverse order if that was what his first statement said (but it wasn't). The solicitor present then put a stop to that line of questioning by advising Jeremy to stop answering.

Version (1) was in reply to the question "Why would you have phoned her up?" rather than a question about the order of the calls. Jeremy said "At the time I probably felt pissed off by my reaction from the police and needed a friendly ear."

After reading the entire interview, one realizes that Jeremy was somewhat wound up by the earlier badgering and that caused him to invent an answer off-the-cuff as he couldn't actually remember his reason. He could just as easily have said "At the time I was probably unsure what to do about dad's call and needed a friendly ear."

You mean he hadn't really thought of one! In his first statement, he doesn't even mention calling Julie. Who do you think he called first? You would think by now he'd have t least that story straight!
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« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2014, 11:12:AM »
The police showed him his first statement, in which he said he called Julie at about 3:25am.

I think he called Julie before calling the police.

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« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2014, 12:34:PM »
You mean he hadn't really thought of one! In his first statement, he doesn't even mention calling Julie. Who do you think he called first? You would think by now he'd have t least that story straight!

if he planned it for a year I think he would have got his sequence of calls well planned and there would have been no deviation - even when the police tried to get him going round in circles.



If he went to the trouble of faking  a call - he would have got his story straight 100%

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« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2014, 12:58:PM »
if he planned it for a year I think he would have got his sequence of calls well planned and there would have been no deviation - even when the police tried to get him going round in circles.



If he went to the trouble of faking  a call - he would have got his story straight 100%

I don't think he did plan it a year in advance. I think he talked about killing his parents but I don't think there was much planning involved because of all the mistakes he made.

By the way, who do you think he called first?
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« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2014, 01:11:PM »
if he planned it for a year I think he would have got his sequence of calls well planned and there would have been no deviation - even when the police tried to get him going round in circles.



If he went to the trouble of faking  a call - he would have got his story straight 100%


Obviously, people with a vested interest try to make it look like Jeremy had planned the murders for a year but it just doesnt fit with the sequence of events hence Mugfords stories not a single piece of actual evidence linking Jeremy to the crime
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« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2014, 01:17:PM »
I don't think he did plan it a year in advance. I think he talked about killing his parents but I don't think there was much planning involved because of all the mistakes he made.

By the way, who do you think he called first?

No, there wasn't and couldn't have been a year of planning, I think that's just what some people like to say.

"Oh no, it wasn't Jeremy, if he planned it for a year then there wouldn't have been any mistakes"  ::)

However much planning there was, the most obvious mistake is that he underestimated the killing power of the .22 rifle.

He called Julie about 3am 'ish' and the police at about 3:20am 'ish'.
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