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Re: why not wipe the gun.
« Reply #45 on: September 04, 2014, 06:47:PM »
If Scipio can't see HIMSELF as being biased,then there's something radically wrong with him. Those who IMAGINE that they're always right have a name attached to them-----------Narcissistic !! Without principles.

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Re: why not wipe the gun.
« Reply #46 on: September 04, 2014, 06:50:PM »
all ive done is point out a simple fact if hes using gloves it means he doesnt want hes fingerprints to be found he knows without those his fingerprints will be found so he knows if hes gloves fall of his prints are on the gun and he knows he doesnt want so what chioce does but to wipe the gun and take his chances he has know way of know weather they can find out weather its been wiped.

And after the gloves came off he thought he got his prints on the gun.  At that point he was in a quandry wipe the gun off in which case it will be readily apparent it had been wiped down before being placed in Sheila's arms or invent a story to account for his prints.  Your claim he coudl not know that the lab woudl figure out the gun was blood free, and in fact evidence free save for some prints from Sheila is absurd.  Of course they y and the police would be able to figure out such and they woudl also know there would have been bood so it wa swiped down.  Jeremy had blood on his clothing and saw the blood on the weapon so knew that police would know such would be present.  He changed his clothign so they would not see it.

He also had added reason for making up the stupid tale.  To account for his prints being on the casings in case his prints were found and ALSO to account for the gun sitting out already loaded for Sheial to find.

WHile you and other Jeremy supporters live in fantasy land willing to ignore all evidence against him and make and and all excuses no matte rhow ridiculous Jeremy knew that not everyone would be fools.  The notion of Sheial going into a rage then going to seek out a gun let alone that particular gun which she never used before and didn't know how to use is hard to swallow.  She would have went for something else if she wanted a weapon.  His way of making it seem plausible is to make the weapon be out and thus available for her to grab as a weapon of opportunity smacking her in the face.

Woudl she go to the closet to get ammo though for it?  Just grabbing the unloaded weapon would result in Nevill disarming her before she coudl do anything.  Loading the magazine takes 2 hands.  So his story said the magazine was already loaded so that the picture presented was her arguing with Nevill then grabbing the already loaded magazine and quickly placing it in the gun without him having the opportunity to do anything.  Further we have extra bullets next to it so she knew she would have enough ammo to kill everyone and could easily reload.

Syaing he left it out loaded in the morning or afternoon would do no good because the family would have put it away.  So he makde up the story of leaving it there late.  He claimed he left it there right before going home. He staged the bullets and since they were still in the kitchen where he claimed he left them before going hom this was supposed to suggest the gun was likewise untouched.  SOmeoen putting it away would have put the bullets away too.

If all he cared about was providing a reaosn for hims prints to be on the casings and gun he could have simply siad he used the gun for target practice the day before and he had touched many of the bullets as he put them back in the plastic tray.  His goal was more than that.  The story was crafted so that there was a weapon of opportunity smacking Sheila in the face.

You never want to address any of this or the fact that there is no question he staged the bullets after the murders.  His claim that he took out a box containing 48-50 rounds, dumped it out in the kitchen, loaded the magazine and that these bullets were the ones used in the murders is not possible.  If that were the case then there would have been 23-25 bullets remaining- there were 30.  For his claims to be true SHeial had to use 18-20 rounds from the ammo in the kitchen then to suddenly decide to stop using that supply and go to the closet to get 5-7 more rounds.  ABSURD!

Your excuses for Jeremy are pathetic and also pointless.   
 
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Re: why not wipe the gun.
« Reply #47 on: September 04, 2014, 06:54:PM »
If Scipio can't see HIMSELF as being biased,then there's something radically wrong with him. Those who IMAGINE that they're always right have a name attached to them-----------Narcissistic !! Without principles.

Biased because I am looking for the truth and face facts? 

I don't have any bias against Jeremy.  Nor do I have any bias in favor of anyone connected with the case.

You incontrast have tremendous bias in favor of Jeremy which results in you writing extremly stupid things such as Jeremy woudl nto have a bad word to say against anyone.  In your warped mind he is an angel who cna do no wrong and thus he has to be innocent.  Thus eveyrone else has to be lying and wrong.  that effectively sums up all your posting on this website.  Nothing constructinve, nothing fact based, nothing coherent or logical.  You have no interest in knowing the actual facts of the cas eand thus can't discuss them at all.  You post bogus claim after claim trying to pretend your biased view of Jeremy is reality.  You are quite sad. 
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Re: why not wipe the gun.
« Reply #48 on: September 04, 2014, 06:55:PM »
STFU,You ! Your excuses for him being guilty are EXACTLY the same !

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Re: why not wipe the gun.
« Reply #49 on: September 04, 2014, 06:57:PM »
Biased because I am looking for the truth and face facts? 

I don't have any bias against Jeremy.  Nor do I have any bias in favor of anyone connected with the case.

You incontrast have tremendous bias in favor of Jeremy which results in you writing extremly stupid things such as Jeremy woudl nto have a bad word to say against anyone.  In your warped mind he is an angel who cna do no wrong and thus he has to be innocent.  Thus eveyrone else has to be lying and wrong.  that effectively sums up all your posting on this website.  Nothing constructinve, nothing fact based, nothing coherent or logical.  You have no interest in knowing the actual facts of the cas eand thus can't discuss them at all.  You post bogus claim after claim trying to pretend your biased view of Jeremy is reality.  You are quite sad.

all youve proved is your to stupid to know the diffrence between a fact and your own opinons
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Re: why not wipe the gun.
« Reply #50 on: September 04, 2014, 07:00:PM »
And after the gloves came off he thought he got his prints on the gun.  At that point he was in a quandry wipe the gun off in which case it will be readily apparent it had been wiped down before being placed in Sheila's arms or invent a story to account for his prints.  Your claim he coudl not know that the lab woudl figure out the gun was blood free, and in fact evidence free save for some prints from Sheila is absurd.  Of course they y and the police would be able to figure out such and they woudl also know there would have been bood so it wa swiped down.  Jeremy had blood on his clothing and saw the blood on the weapon so knew that police would know such would be present.  He changed his clothign so they would not see it.

He also had added reason for making up the stupid tale.  To account for his prints being on the casings in case his prints were found and ALSO to account for the gun sitting out already loaded for Sheial to find.

WHile you and other Jeremy supporters live in fantasy land willing to ignore all evidence against him and make and and all excuses no matte rhow ridiculous Jeremy knew that not everyone would be fools.  The notion of Sheial going into a rage then going to seek out a gun let alone that particular gun which she never used before and didn't know how to use is hard to swallow.  She would have went for something else if she wanted a weapon.  His way of making it seem plausible is to make the weapon be out and thus available for her to grab as a weapon of opportunity smacking her in the face.

Woudl she go to the closet to get ammo though for it?  Just grabbing the unloaded weapon would result in Nevill disarming her before she coudl do anything.  Loading the magazine takes 2 hands.  So his story said the magazine was already loaded so that the picture presented was her arguing with Nevill then grabbing the already loaded magazine and quickly placing it in the gun without him having the opportunity to do anything.  Further we have extra bullets next to it so she knew she would have enough ammo to kill everyone and could easily reload.

Syaing he left it out loaded in the morning or afternoon would do no good because the family would have put it away.  So he makde up the story of leaving it there late.  He claimed he left it there right before going home. He staged the bullets and since they were still in the kitchen where he claimed he left them before going hom this was supposed to suggest the gun was likewise untouched.  SOmeoen putting it away would have put the bullets away too.

If all he cared about was providing a reaosn for hims prints to be on the casings and gun he could have simply siad he used the gun for target practice the day before and he had touched many of the bullets as he put them back in the plastic tray.  His goal was more than that.  The story was crafted so that there was a weapon of opportunity smacking Sheila in the face.

You never want to address any of this or the fact that there is no question he staged the bullets after the murders.  His claim that he took out a box containing 48-50 rounds, dumped it out in the kitchen, loaded the magazine and that these bullets were the ones used in the murders is not possible.  If that were the case then there would have been 23-25 bullets remaining- there were 30.  For his claims to be true SHeial had to use 18-20 rounds from the ammo in the kitchen then to suddenly decide to stop using that supply and go to the closet to get 5-7 more rounds.  ABSURD!

Your excuses for Jeremy are pathetic and also pointless.   
 

he was farmer not a forensic expert he wouldn't have a clue what the lab could or couldn't work out.

he would know its not a good idea to leave fingerprints there though as any idiot knows.
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Re: why not wipe the gun.
« Reply #51 on: September 04, 2014, 07:08:PM »
all youve proved is your to stupid to know the diffrence and your own opinons

You prove you are stupid each time you post so there is no need for me to even bother proving it though I could.   I suggest you observe something attributed to Mark Twain among others, "Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"



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Re: why not wipe the gun.
« Reply #52 on: September 04, 2014, 07:16:PM »
The same phrase applies to you, saddo. Is that all you can do ? Insult,bully and abuse folk ? Failure !!

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« Reply #53 on: September 04, 2014, 07:17:PM »
he was farmer not a forensic expert he wouldn't have a clue what the lab could or couldn't work out.

he would know its not a good idea to leave fingerprints there though as any idiot knows.

This is a good demonstration of your own stupidity.

Your argument explains WHY he would not have any clue that the lab would be able to figure out and prove that the moderator was used to fire the fatal shot into Sheila.

Your argument doens't address ANY of the arguments I presented though you did what you always do- you compeltely ignore all arguments that prove you worng and establish Jeremy's guilt and just hide in your glass house tossing stones.

One doesn't have to know much about forensics to figure out that ANYONE AND EVERYONE can figure out a gun was wiped down and then prints from one perosn planted if there is no blood or other evidence on it and it is spotless save for the few prints of the one person.  Particuarly if one is claimign the gun had extensive use other prints should be found unless covered up by blood and other eivdnec eand it doens't take a forensic expert to figure out the gun would have been covere din blood he just had to look at it to see that it was.

Each time you get angry you write more stupid and ill considered things than the last but thanks for aditting Jeremy would have no clue what the lab woudl be able to figure out with respect to the moderator.

You again ignored all the valid points raised about why he made up the tale of leaving the gun out and the evidence that he didn't do so but merely claimed he did such as the staged bullets which demonstrate he just made up the tale.

You can'trefute the evidence so just hide from it in your own world where you try to block out reality and then lash out childishly at those who try to bring you out into the real world.   
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Re: why not wipe the gun.
« Reply #54 on: September 04, 2014, 07:18:PM »
its basic logic nobody planing on comiting the perfect murder delbraty leaves there fingerprints at the scene.

its basic logic that a farm hand would not understand complicated forensic issues but they would understand fingerprints.

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« Reply #55 on: September 04, 2014, 07:18:PM »
.................... there is no need for me to even bother proving it though I could.  "Tis better to remain silent....................."



EXACTLY SO! So just stop behaving like a child. Try living by what you've just written and GROW UP.

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« Reply #56 on: September 04, 2014, 07:24:PM »
The same phrase applies to you, saddo. Is that all you can do ? Insult,bully and abuse folk ? Failure !!

But the things I say are not foolish.  People say I am rude but I am rude to those who are rude to me so not everythone thinks that.  I don't care if people think I am rude or not that is not being a fool.   A fool is someone who says foolish things like the things you, nug and Jackie constantly write.

Some Jeremy supporters are smart enough not to post complete nonsense and pick their battles.  Others post lies and nonsense which undermine their credibility completely and totally.  You never post any substance at all just ad hominem or false claims like the lie about bloody fingerprints having been found.

When challeged on such claims your responses are mix of emotional tripe and ramblings considerably  more incomprehensible than my worst typos.   

       
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« Reply #57 on: September 04, 2014, 07:25:PM »

EXACTLY SO! So just stop behaving like a child. Try living by what you've just written and GROW UP.

I am acting like a grown up.  Lookout and nug are the immature ones and I have taken plenty from them without responding but at some point children need to be scolded and they need a lesson. 

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« Reply #58 on: September 04, 2014, 07:27:PM »
This is a good demonstration of your own stupidity.

Your argument explains WHY he would not have any clue that the lab would be able to figure out and prove that the moderator was used to fire the fatal shot into Sheila.

Your argument doens't address ANY of the arguments I presented though you did what you always do- you compeltely ignore all arguments that prove you worng and establish Jeremy's guilt and just hide in your glass house tossing stones.

One doesn't have to know much about forensics to figure out that ANYONE AND EVERYONE can figure out a gun was wiped down and then prints from one perosn planted if there is no blood or other evidence on it and it is spotless save for the few prints of the one person.  Particuarly if one is claimign the gun had extensive use other prints should be found unless covered up by blood and other eivdnec eand it doens't take a forensic expert to figure out the gun would have been covere din blood he just had to look at it to see that it was.

Each time you get angry you write more stupid and ill considered things than the last but thanks for aditting Jeremy would have no clue what the lab woudl be able to figure out with respect to the moderator.

You again ignored all the valid points raised about why he made up the tale of leaving the gun out and the evidence that he didn't do so but merely claimed he did such as the staged bullets which demonstrate he just made up the tale.

You can'trefute the evidence so just hide from it in your own world where you try to block out reality and then lash out childishly at those who try to bring you out into the real world.

he doesnt have to cliam extensive youse of the gun he could say he knows nothing about it without his prints they cant prove otherwise even if they do suspect hes lying theres no way they can prove it.
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« Reply #59 on: September 04, 2014, 07:30:PM »
I am acting like a grown up.  Lookout and nug are the immature ones and I have taken plenty from them without responding but at some point children need to be scolded and they need a lesson.

like I said one of the rudest and most disgusting posters I have come across -now you are sounding like some kind of weirdo as well.

sick.