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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #375 on: September 08, 2014, 04:33:PM »
I saw that on the news (am in London now). Problem is EP (against court orders) destroyed all physical evidence in the Bamber case back in 1996 (right when forensic DNA was gaining ground....), so nothing will be cleared up there, will it?!
Harters called this an interesting case. It is. Only unsolved cases are interesting - this is basically an unsolved case.
Who cares about a solved case?


How many times will Jeremy supporters keep perpetuation a myth by claiming there was a court order to preserve the evidence?  There wasn't any court order what was violated was police imposed guidelines that evidence will be preseved in cases with open appeal.  Time and again I have challenged you and others making this claim to support it with evidence but you can't because there was no such court order.

The cop who destroyed the evidence had no idea the appeal was still considered open.  There was no active appeal going on.  There was allegedly 2 years of communications between Jeremy's lawyers and the Home Office and it is argued these letters suffice to constitute the appeal being active.  The cop who destroyed the evidence had no way to know about these letters though.

Why is the myth about a court order being violate dimportant?  Because the reality is tha tther eis the evidence destroyed had no ability at all to help Jeremy.  The notion there was some evidence that if DNA tested could have disproved the moderator evidence and proved Sheila was the shooter is complete nonsense. 

Your suggestion that they intentionally got rid of the evidence despite a court order to prevent DNA from being used to free him is incorrect. 

So too is it nonsense to call this an unsolved case.  It is a solved case.  Ther eis not one shred of evidence ot support Jeremy's innocence.  Those who argue he is innocent have no leg to stand us thus resort to nonsense about how he was framed and bogus claims about how police destroyed evidence against court order to conceal the truth.  Only biased people assert such lies and nonsense.

Jack the Ripper is interesting because of the brutal nature of the crimes.  Other crimes like Son of Sam that are equally famous though they were solved.  The failure of Jack the Ripper being solved simply opened the door to fiction authors to make up all sorts of things about the ripper case that they otherwise could not have done.   

Just the supposed DNA doesn't establish weather ther eoculd have been an innocent DNA transfer or the results have been confirmed so the supposed unmasking is anything but certian at this point.  But it doesn't mattr anyway most of us don't care.  The identity is much more significant at the time of the murders and several decades thereafter.  Unmasking the killer after eveyrone who was alive during the murders are dead doesn't mean much because no one really cares or is affected.  If Jack the Ripper were confirmed to be on eof the suspects that would at least be of some note though limited.  but finding out it was a nobody means little, who really cares...

The largest attention this case got was when the press was busy reporting claims suggesting Jerey was innocent and going to win his appeal.  Upon losing it is obvious that he is guilty and the hype was all just hype. Obvious to all except people too biased to face reality and you fall into that camp.



 


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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #376 on: September 08, 2014, 04:42:PM »
I'm quite surprised by the book overall considering that her mind seemed to be firmly fixed on Jeremy having committed the murders-------opening lines, quote " it is a story of a charming but greedy and arrogant man who thought he could get away with murder,"unquote.

which makes it rather surprising that she make such an accusation against an investigating officer.

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« Reply #377 on: September 08, 2014, 04:42:PM »
Why can't you just say you disagree with a post instead of calling people ridiculous and biased-----------which is what you,yourself are if you did but realise it. ::)
Unless you were at the crime scene and saw it all,etc,then you're in no position to say who's right and who's wrong.

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« Reply #378 on: September 08, 2014, 04:44:PM »
How many times will Jeremy supporters keep lying by claiming there was a court order to preserve the evidence?  There wasn't any court order what was violated was police imposed guidelines that evidence will be preseved in cases with open appeal.  Time and again I have challenged you and others making this claim to support it with evidence but you can't because there was no such court order.

The cop who destroyed the evidence had no idea the appeal was still considered open.  There was no active appeal going on.  There was allegedly 2 years of communications between Jeremy's lawyers and the Home Office and it is argued these letters suffice to constitute the appeal being active.  The cop who destroyed the evidence had no way to know about these letters though.

Why is the lie about a court order being violate dimportant?  Because the reality is tha tther eis the evidence destroyed had no ability at all to help Jeremy.  The notion there was some evidence that if DNA tested could have disproved the moderator evidence and proved Sheila was the shooter is complete nonsense. 

Your suggestion that they intentionally got rid of the evidence despite a court order to prevent DNA from being used to free him is total nonsense. 

So too is it nonsense to call this an unsolved case.  It is a solved case.  Ther eis not one shred of evidence ot support Jeremy's innocence.  Those who argue he is innocent have no leg to stand us thus resort to nonsense about how he was framed and bogus claims about how police destroyed evidence against court order to conceal the truth.  Only biased people assert such lies and nonsense.

Jack the Ripper is interesting because of the brutal nature of the crimes.  Other crimes like Son of Sam that are equally famous though they were solved.  The failure of Jack the Ripper being solved simply opened the door to fiction authors to make up all sorts of things about the ripper case that they otherwise could not have done.   

Just the supposed DNA doesn't establish weather ther eoculd have been an innocent DNA transfer or the results have been confirmed so the supposed unmasking is anything but certian at this point.  But it doesn't mattr anyway most of us don't care.  The identity is much more significant at the time of the murders and several decades thereafter.  Unmasking the killer after eveyrone who was alive during the murders are dead doesn't mean much because no one really cares or is affected.  If Jack the Ripper were confirmed to be on eof the suspects that would at least be of some note though limited.  but finding out it was a nobody means little, who really cares...

The largest attention this case got was when the press was busy reporting claims suggesting Jerey was innocent and going to win his appeal.  Upon losing it is obvious that he is guilty and the hype was all just hype. Obvious to all except people too biased to face reality and you fall into that camp.



 

It's something that will not go away because a court order to stop destruction of evidence being ignored sounds good written down and sounds suspicious, doesn't matter that it's not true. I've chosen to just ignore it over time but new members who see it will certianly think "OMG That IS suspicious" which I think is one fo the main goals.  :-\

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #379 on: September 08, 2014, 05:02:PM »
It damn well is,nugs. Then again,being a police officer,a higher ranking one at that,he can always deny it--------simply because he can. ;)

well yes there was no real proof wich makes it even more strange that the publishers allowed powel to print it.

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« Reply #380 on: September 08, 2014, 05:10:PM »
If I was ever interviewed like that and an officer stunk of ale,he wouldn't hear the last of it. Neither would his superiors. That goes for anyone in any profession.

it was more than just stinking ale powels alleging that he downed a bottle of the eatons whiskey while he was there then drove home.

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #381 on: September 08, 2014, 05:50:PM »
It's something that will not go away because a court order to stop destruction of evidence being ignored sounds good written down and sounds suspicious, doesn't matter that it's not true. I've chosen to just ignore it over time but new members who see it will certianly think "OMG That IS suspicious" which I think is one fo the main goals.  :-\

Yes that lie sounds uch more suspicious than the turth.  Police guidelines called for evidence to be preserved where there were open appeals.  There was no ongoing appeal per se, just written letters being exchanged between the Home office and Jeremy's defense and a cop in charge of evidence being totally unaware of these communications and tha tit meant the appeal was still open destroying the evidence after 10 years passed because that is the date of destruction unless an appeal is still ongoing.

Caliming there was a court order on file tha tthis cop would have seen and that he intentionally violated it to get rid of evidence sounds much better fodder for trying to fool people into thinking there was a conspiracy to get rid of evidence that could have cleared him.  Of course the evidence destroyed had little hope of clearing him but the destruction allows them to pretend there was.

the main gripe of the defense was that June's blood sample was desotryed so they had no way to obtian her DNA profile to use when they examined the moderator but Pam sumbitted her DNA so actually voluntarily cooperated on behald of the defense's efforts.  That of course is ignored by those claiming the family was out to frame Jeremy...

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #382 on: September 08, 2014, 06:24:PM »
Will you stop your nasty bullying, scipio? Again you wasted your time on a long reply to my post - why would I bother reading it after being called ridiculous in the first sentence?
I take it that the moderators are fine with it, since it is not even commented on ever, and my conclusion must be that you agree with what he says.

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« Reply #383 on: September 08, 2014, 06:38:PM »
Will you stop your nasty bullying, scipio? Again you wasted your time on a long reply to my post - why would I bother reading it after being called ridiculous in the first sentence?
I take it that the moderators are fine with it, since it is not even commented on ever, and my conclusion must be that you agree with what he says.

Actually Alias, I hadn't seen it, I've made one post in the last few hours because as I have already said, I have internet problems. April and Maggie are away and Roch and Neil aren't signed in. I can only deal with something if and when I see it. I have told Scipio to curb it on many occasions so 'ever' is frankly unfair.

The rudeness needs to stop! And that goes for everyone, personal attacks and insults are becoming the norm and to be honest, I'm sick to death of it. We aren't personally involved so a bit of mutual respect wouldn't go amiss. From now on, I'm going to delete personal slants so is there is something which you feel is personal, PM me and I will remove it as long as the complaint isn't for pettiness sake.

I will start with Alias's complaint - and Scipio (once again) there is no need for the personal bull-shit. I'm sure you can disagree without calling people names!
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #384 on: September 08, 2014, 06:40:PM »
Will you stop your nasty bullying, scipio? Again you wasted your time on a long reply to my post - why would I bother reading it after being called ridiculous in the first sentence?
I take it that the moderators are fine with it, since it is not even commented on ever, and my conclusion must be that you agree with what he says.

It is not bullying and there is no need for you to respond. My repsonse corrected the record.  You post  claim after claim then complain when I prove you wrong.  The only way you coudl feture my points woudl be if you could:

1) produce proof of a court order that ordered the evidence preserved- which you can't do because there was no court order such claim is fictitious

or

2) identify evidence that was destoryed tha tif tested coudl potnetially have cleared Jeremy but you can't because there is no evidence that was desotryed which coudl have helped establish Sheila's guilt/his innocence.

Any response other than that fails to refute my claims and thus amounts to you admitting tacitly that I am right.  Your post does that right now as you try to avoid the factual issues by claiming I am a bully.

   
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #385 on: September 08, 2014, 06:52:PM »
Actually Alias, I hadn't seen it, I've made one post in the last few hours because as I have already said, I have internet problems. April and Maggie are away and Roch and Neil aren't signed in. I can only deal with something if and when I see it. I have told Scipio to curb it on many occasions so 'ever' is frankly unfair.

The rudeness needs to stop! And that goes for everyone, personal attacks and insults are becoming the norm and to be honest, I'm sick to death of it. We aren't personally involved so a bit of mutual respect wouldn't go amiss. From now on, I'm going to delete personal slants so is there is something which you feel is personal, PM me and I will remove it as long as the complaint isn't for pettiness sake.

I will start with Alias's complaint - and Scipio (once again) there is no need for the personal bull-shit. I'm sure you can disagree without calling people names!

Thanks - I doubt it will work though. I am beginning to lose any desire to post here.
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #386 on: September 08, 2014, 07:07:PM »
dont be put off from posting its what they want it says in your profile your now a mod anyway.

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« Reply #387 on: September 08, 2014, 07:31:PM »
dont be put off from posting its what they want it says in your profile your now a mod anyway.

I am posting, but you have to expect a shitload of insults thrown in your face - not so nice.  ;)
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« Reply #388 on: September 08, 2014, 07:34:PM »
It is not bullying and there is no need for you to respond. My repsonse corrected the record.  You post  claim after claim then complain when I prove you wrong.  The only way you coudl feture my points woudl be if you could:

1) produce proof of a court order that ordered the evidence preserved- which you can't do because there was no court order such claim is fictitious

or

2) identify evidence that was destoryed tha tif tested coudl potnetially have cleared Jeremy but you can't because there is no evidence that was desotryed which coudl have helped establish Sheila's guilt/his innocence.

Any response other than that fails to refute my claims and thus amounts to you admitting tacitly that I am right.  Your post does that right now as you try to avoid the factual issues by claiming I am a bully.

   

I don´t have to do anything! I frankly prefer not to talk to you at all, so bye, bye bully!
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« Reply #389 on: September 08, 2014, 07:36:PM »
dont be put off from posting its what they want it says in your profile your now a mod anyway.

Ha, ha!! You think that saves you from insults? I regularly have to remove the knives from my back.  ;D ;D ;D
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