The Week of the Murders

[susan]

Harters I am starting to think this as he would have made such a fuss about her even to this day he has kept quiet which is unlike him.

[Adam]

Adam sorry to disappoint you but Caroline has been on the guilty stance much longer than a few weeks I would say months when she came on the forum she thought he was guilty then for a short while innocent then back to guilty where she well and truly sits.  Scipio has raised some good points Adam you have posted loads of information that have been helpful you have put so much work into your threads but sometimes you amaze me with your posts 

Caroline was always a strong Jeremy supporter, until recently. I should know, she would fire fight my posts and threads enough.

[Adam]

Harters I am starting to think this as he would have made such a fuss about her even to this day he has kept quiet which is unlike him.

His OS has a whole chapter trying to discredit Julie.

I assume Jeremy is involved in this and has the final say on what is written.

[Jan]

I think the defence tried very, very hard to discredit Julie's testimony,  but failed to do so.

I guess it was difficult for Jeremy to make certain allegations without implicating himself.

exactly
what was he supposed to stand up screaming in the court you are a liar and only doing this to get back at me? That would have done him a lot of good. Same old argument really , how could he prove she was telling lies? And if he was innocent what must have been going through his mind? She will never stand up in court and lie on oath?

As Adam has pointed out himself on many occasions you can only answer what is presented to you in court.

[Jan]

Caroline was always a strong Jeremy supporter, until recently. I should know, she would fire fight my posts and threads enough.

Adam - why are you arguing with Susan ? Just because it was Caroline that persuaded her and not you?

And why are you defending Julie ? If she is telling the truth  then she could at least have stopped him nearly getting away with it by telling the police straight away.

And can you clarify who told the police? Her or Liz?

[Adam]

exactly
what was he supposed to stand up screaming in the court you are a liar and only doing this to get back at me? That would have done him a lot of good. Same old argument really , how could he prove she was telling lies? And if he was innocent what must have been going through his mind? She will never stand up in court and lie on oath?

As Adam has pointed out himself on many occasions you can only answer what is presented to you in court.

He did say that. Without shouting and screaming.

Saying Julie is lying in court because he (apparently) jilted her.

[No-Bits]

Adam - why are you arguing with Susan ? Just because it was Caroline that persuaded her and not you?

And why are you defending Julie ? If she is telling the truth  then she could at least have stopped him nearly getting away with it by telling the police straight away.

And can you clarify who told the police? Her or Liz?

I'm not so sure that the police weren't already sniffing around.

[Adam]

Adam - why are you arguing with Susan ? Just because it was Caroline that persuaded her and not you?

And why are you defending Julie ? If she is telling the truth  then she could at least have stopped him nearly getting away with it by telling the police straight away.

And can you clarify who told the police? Her or Liz?

Well yes, she could have told the police on day one.

But Jeremy was her boyfriend.

She loved him.

She was in shock.

She was 20 years old.

She did not want to believe him.

He gave a proxy.

She may not think anyone would believe her.

Jeremy said he was water tight and it was an 'open and shut case'.

[susan]

jansus I mean after the Court case  not during the Court.  It is something I have not heard him talk about much the silencer yes but not her unless I have missed it of course. Jansus I don't have the answers just my own thoughts on this case.

[Adam]

Adam - why are you arguing with Susan ? Just because it was Caroline that persuaded her and not you?

And why are you defending Julie ? If she is telling the truth  then she could at least have stopped him nearly getting away with it by telling the police straight away.

And can you clarify who told the police? Her or Liz?

Yes I was very upset that my posts and threads did not persuade Susan. But she is friends with Caroline. Maybe if I had cooked her a meal.

Liz Rimmington rang Stan Jones.  Julie was in the room so obviously in agreement.

Liz's phone call was simply to arrange for Julie to meet the police. In the meeting/interview Julie told the police everything. She did not need to.

[Jan]

julies words page 13

I lay in bed but I did not sleep   "as I knew that Jeremy had murdered his family"

If you read he her statement she conveniently covers the bits that the police had problems with - how did he get out of the house and lock the windows - how did he get back to his house without using the car?

Earlier she also talks about cyanide ? ( a small hint) and that she knew he meant it when he talked about getting rid of his family including the twins.


I still ( being charitable ) believe she may have completely elaborated her story because the police convinced he did it and they needed help with the conviction.

But if she was telling the whole truth - then I really can not understand for one moment why Adam is defending her.

[Jan]

He did say that. Without shouting and screaming.

Saying Julie is lying in court because he (apparently) jilted her.

the question was why did he not make more of a point /fuss / scream from the roof tops that she was telling lies.

That is what I answered

[susan]

Adam the posts Harters put up had a tremendous influence on my change of stance.  Have you ever thought Julie knew exactly what he planned and how he planned to do it but could not say outright as it would incriminate her and she would have been off to prison along with him.  Yes why are you arguing with me I thought we were on the same side You just want to be the dominant male I guess

[Jan]

jansus I mean after the Court case  not during the Court.  It is something I have not heard him talk about much the silencer yes but not her unless I have missed it of course. Jansus I don't have the answers just my own thoughts on this case.

except for the letter I have not read anything either .

But her testimony was for things that were only said between the two of them. They were not verified or witnessed by a third person at any time?

So really I don't know what he could do - except what he did - write and I guess beg her to tell the truth?

[Jan]

Adam the posts Harters put up had a tremendous influence on my change of stance.  Have you ever thought Julie knew exactly what he planned and how he planned to do it but could not say outright as it would incriminate her and she would have been off to prison along with him.  Yes why are you arguing with me I thought we were on the same side You just want to be the dominant male I guess

I think this is what Caroline has implied as well - by saying it is not so much what she says but what she doesn't say.

I must admit I would like to see her testimony in full  and all the statements she made.