The Week of the Murders

[susan]

Hello jansus  do you think had Jeremy Bamber confided in Julie about his plans to murder his family he would have jilted her I cannot see it myself and I do not think he did confide in her as such.  He may have made statements "I could kill my family" and other incriminating remarks that she took in jest.  I think after their break up she had to think of her own position regarding her criminal activities.  I am not even sure she expected him to  go to prison and it very nearly did not happen what would Julie have done then.  I have not seen any statements where Jeremy has spoke badly of Julie which I find strange because one would expect him to especially if he is innocent.  I did read he wrote to her and asked her why she had done this but the letter was returned to him unopened. This case has so many unanswered questions will they ever be answered I suspect not but people will put forward their theories and it will go on and on.

[Adam]

Sheila could not have started shooting before Neville called the police. He would not have been able to speak after getting his first four shots upstairs.

Neville would not have time to make phone calls when Sheila started shooting. If she started shooting upstairs when Neville was on the phone, she would be out of bullets by the time Neville got upstairs.

It has already been stated several times that Jeremy's best option is to create the siege situation at WHF.

Jeremy had to admit he phoned Julie. There were several witnesses to the call. What Julie says he said sounds perfectly plausible.

[Jan]

Hello jansus  do you think had Jeremy Bamber confided in Julie about his plans to murder his family he would have jilted her I cannot see it myself and I do not think he did confide in her as such.  He may have made statements "I could kill my family" and other incriminating remarks that she took in jest.  I think after their break up she had to think of her own position regarding her criminal activities.  I am not even sure she expected him to  go to prison and it very nearly did not happen what would Julie have done then.  I have not seen any statements where Jeremy has spoke badly of Julie which I find strange because one would expect him to especially if he is innocent.  I did read he wrote to her and asked her why she had done this but the letter was returned to him unopened. This case has so many unanswered questions will they ever be answered I suspect not but people will put forward their theories and it will go on and on.

Depends how arrogant you think he is I suppose - If he is arrogant enough to murder 5 people and think he could out wit a whole police force then I would put nothing past him. After all he would think she would do nothing because she would be incriminating herself.

But then again if he is guilty then Julie still went to that morgue knowing he had killed those two young children ( her words not mine ) And I just can not get my head round that either . It would have been so easy for her not to do it.

[Adam]

Hello jansus  do you think had Jeremy Bamber confided in Julie about his plans to murder his family he would have jilted her I cannot see it myself and I do not think he did confide in her as such.  He may have made statements "I could kill my family" and other incriminating remarks that she took in jest.  I think after their break up she had to think of her own position regarding her criminal activities.  I am not even sure she expected him to  go to prison and it very nearly did not happen what would Julie have done then.  I have not seen any statements where Jeremy has spoke badly of Julie which I find strange because one would expect him to especially if he is innocent.  I did read he wrote to her and asked her why she had done this but the letter was returned to him unopened. This case has so many unanswered questions will they ever be answered I suspect not but people will put forward their theories and it will go on and on.

Did you not read my post on Friday ? It was in reply to you're post. Or have you forgotten it ?

Julie approached the police. She did not need to.

The police knew nothing about Jeremy's caravan break in, or Susan Battersby's 1984 cheque book fraud. There is no evidence that Julie was a drug dealer. Julie did not have to say anything.

There are lots of reasons why Jeremy told Julie. You responded to my post on Friday when I gave you the reasons.

Julie was fully aware that her testimony could help convict Jeremy to 25 years in jail. She has never retracted a word of her WS.

[Jan]

Hello jansus  do you think had Jeremy Bamber confided in Julie about his plans to murder his family he would have jilted her I cannot see it myself and I do not think he did confide in her as such.  He may have made statements "I could kill my family" and other incriminating remarks that she took in jest.  I think after their break up she had to think of her own position regarding her criminal activities.  I am not even sure she expected him to  go to prison and it very nearly did not happen what would Julie have done then.  I have not seen any statements where Jeremy has spoke badly of Julie which I find strange because one would expect him to especially if he is innocent.  I did read he wrote to her and asked her why she had done this but the letter was returned to him unopened. This case has so many unanswered questions will they ever be answered I suspect not but people will put forward their theories and it will go on and on.

So are you saying even if he is guilty she made up all the stories about burning the house down /drugging the family/ knowing on the night he had done it?/ the hitman story/ the details he allegedly told her about the crime?

[Adam]

So are you saying even if he is guilty she made up all the stories about burning the house down /drugging the family/ knowing on the night he had done it?/ the hitman story/ the details he allegedly told her about the crime?

Perhaps Jeremy's defence team were wrong in saying her WS had a 'ring of truth' to it.

[susan]

Adam I have not disagreed with anything you have said regarding Miss Julie.  The questions that worry me are why did she wait until after their romance had broken up before going to the police why did she not try and stop the  murders i.e. warned Ralph.  How could she identify those two little boys  then jump back into Jeremy Bamber's  bed.As you may know by now I have changed my stance from thinking Jeremy Bamber was innocent of murdering his family to one of guilty.  I believe I read on this forum recently that at no given time did Julie say Jeremy Bamber HAD committed the murders.  I have said previously he was stitched up because the police knew he was guilty but had no evidence as the scene was not treated as a crime scene at the onset.  Again this is my opinion and not written in stone.

[Adam]

Depends how arrogant you think he is I suppose - If he is arrogant enough to murder 5 people and think he could out wit a whole police force then I would put nothing past him. After all he would think she would do nothing because she would be incriminating herself.

But then again if he is guilty then Julie still went to that morgue knowing he had killed those two young children ( her words not mine ) And I just can not get my head round that either . It would have been so easy for her not to do it.

I cannot see a problem with Julie going to the morgue. In fact it is quite commendable.

She was not family and it seems that no one else wanted to do it. She was in shock and felt she was helping in some way.

[Adam]

Adam I have not disagreed with anything you have said regarding Miss Julie.  The questions that worry me are why did she wait until after their romance had broken up before going to the police why did she not try and stop the  murders i.e. warned Ralph.  How could she identify those two little boys  then jump back into Jeremy Bamber's  bed.As you may know by now I have changed my stance from thinking Jeremy Bamber was innocent of murdering his family to one of guilty.  I believe I read on this forum recently that at no given time did Julie say Jeremy Bamber HAD committed the murders.  I have said previously he was stitched up because the police knew he was guilty but had no evidence as the scene was not treated as a crime scene at the onset.  Again this is my opinion and not written in stone.

Well one of the reasons the relationship ended was because Jeremy had told Julie of his involvement.

Jeremy never said to Julie he killed his family. He said he paid Matthew Mcdonald to do so. However prior to the massacre Jeremy often spoke to Julie about his hatred and plans to get rid of them. It is all in her WS.

She stayed with Jeremy for one month afterwards, in error. She was in shock and loved Jeremy. Jeremy also asked her to go away with him and Brett, and attend the funeral.

[susan]

jansus I don't know really what Jeremy Bamber said to her or her to him.  Think the hitman was a fabrication  all I feel is he would not confide in her unless she was in on it. I think she was a stranger to the truth and for some reason which I find so strange he has never challenged her about her accusations.  I would have thought he would have been screaming from the rooftops.  Why did'ent he?

[Adam]

jansus I don't know really what Jeremy Bamber said to her or her to him.  Think the hitman was a fabrication  all I feel is he would not confide in her unless she was in on it. I think she was a stranger to the truth and for some reason which I find so strange he has never challenged her about her accusations.  I would have thought he would have been screaming from the rooftops.  Why did'ent he?

He told the police and courts that Julie lied because (according to him), he jilted her.

A very weak reason for a 20 year old woman to tell such serious lies to the police, courts and the media. But anyway jilted woman are just as likely to tell the truth. As previously said.

[susan]

Adam sorry we will have to agree to disagree on this one as I think the very opposite to what you have just posted What did she say when police found MacDonald had a watertight alibi.

I think you just like to disagree with people

[Adam]

Adam sorry we will have to agree to disagree on this one as I think the very opposite to what you have just posted What did she say when police found MacDonald had a watertight alibi.

I think you just like to disagree with people

She carried on saying the same thing. That Jeremy told her he had hired MM.

Julies testimony was important more because of what she said Jeremy was telling her prior to the massacre - his family hatred, resentment & plans.

[No-Bits]

I cannot see a problem with Julie going to the morgue. In fact if is quite commendable.

She was not family and it seems that no one else wanted to do it. She was in shock and felt she was helping in some way.

Really?

Bearing in mind she is supposedly very much aware of Jeremy's 'ambitions' to have his family murdered, by his own hands or another, I think it's absolutely disgusting that she would volunteer to see the bodies. In fact I think it's pretty sick.

Yes her later decision to testify against Jeremy is admirable, but that doesn't in any way excuse her earlier behaviour.  IMO

[susan]

jansus what I am saying basically for many reasons I think Jeremy Bamber guilty I totally discredit Julie and the silencer evidence and think he was stitched up as I said earlier EP have much to answer for and so has Jeremy Bamber this is only my opinion I could be totally wrong as could many other posters.