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Offline Adam

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #165 on: September 07, 2014, 11:18:AM »

OMG!! How hypocritical! You're not sticking up for anyone, you're using other people to have digs at mods and admins and if anyone is pretending to have inside info, it's you. You still haven't provided a source for your first claim in this thread and yet, you're trying to demand one from Adam. You're shifting the debate away from JB to make personal remarks because you're defense argument is weak!

When did Jackie demand a source from me on this thread ?

I will happily provide one.
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #166 on: September 07, 2014, 11:43:AM »


Lookout, if all that Lomax says is true and Sheila "going crazy" was a regular, but secret occurrence with which Jeremy was regularly involved, what was there to stop him, after her death, with there no longer being the need for secrecy, from bringing it out.

if it was a reguler event it makes more that ralph would phone him and ask him to come down.

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #167 on: September 07, 2014, 11:49:AM »
Hi April. Are you referring to your 'friends' that you said on the forum last year believed Jeremy to be innocent? And if so,can you say if this is still their belief,or have they changed their minds too?

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« Reply #168 on: September 07, 2014, 11:54:AM »

I do not know what you are talking about.  I have no personal issues with Jeremy.  I had a friendly chat with him last week.  The moderators are allowed to have opinions on the case and to express them.  Mike has always made clear that this is a discussion forum and all views can be expressed, as long as this is done in a respectful manner. 

You have been warned repeatedly not to attack the admins/mods.  You have chosen to ignore that warning.  You are now banned for 24 hours.  If you post attacks elsewhere during that period your ban will be made permanent.

Well said Neil, Jackie doesn't debate, she barks out comments and sees anyone with a different view as 'the enemy'. If she even tried to be reasonable and took part in debate she would do Jeremy far more justice.
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #169 on: September 07, 2014, 12:40:PM »
Hi April. Are you referring to your 'friends' that you said on the forum last year believed Jeremy to be innocent? And if so,can you say if this is still their belief,or have they changed their minds too?




Tyler Hello, I think they're hovering around fence level at the moment.

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #170 on: September 07, 2014, 01:08:PM »
I sort of missed why you have changed your mind April?


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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #171 on: September 07, 2014, 01:13:PM »
Hello April  you can always crawl under the rock with Harters and do whatever takes your fancy ;)

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #172 on: September 07, 2014, 01:18:PM »
When did Jackie demand a source from me on this thread ?

I will happily provide one.

Sorry Adam, it wasn't you, I meant Scipio.
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #173 on: September 07, 2014, 01:22:PM »
;D This place is very silly at times.

I think I'll crawl back under my rock until the big bad wolf has passed.  :-[

me too - I think its very sad what has happened to this forum .  I don't understand why people can not debate without getting personal. You are either on here because you have a genuine interest in the case and are wanting to learn more - or it appears some posters are on here to disrupt and be personal which I thought was against the rules.

its just sad.


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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #174 on: September 07, 2014, 01:27:PM »
Hello April  you can always crawl under the rock with Harters and do whatever takes your fancy ;)



Susan, I fear that, with two large egos under one rock, it won't afford us much in the way of protection ;D ;D

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #175 on: September 07, 2014, 01:40:PM »
I sort of missed why you have changed your mind April?




Jansus, I spend a great deal of time playing devil's advocate because most of the time it isn't my opinion which is needed, but clarification. I started to find that more and more it felt as if I was making excuses for Jeremy. Looking at it closely, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to accept that Neville phoned him with such shocking news but he phones Julie, getting her out of bed at an unholy hour and doesn't mention it, other than cryptically. It started to feel as if he was buying time, as with the delay in calling the police. He seems not to have mentioned the boys when telling the police who was in the house. I can accept that at his age he may not have been too interested in them, but this was a potentially dangerous situation.

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #176 on: September 07, 2014, 01:47:PM »
April what makes you think you and Harters have big egos NEVER ;D

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #177 on: September 07, 2014, 01:49:PM »
April very good post one with which I concur. When you think about the case you realise much of what Jeremy did and said casts doubts.

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #178 on: September 07, 2014, 01:51:PM »
April what makes you think you and Harters have big egos NEVER ;D



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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #179 on: September 07, 2014, 02:48:PM »



Jansus, I spend a great deal of time playing devil's advocate because most of the time it isn't my opinion which is needed, but clarification. I started to find that more and more it felt as if I was making excuses for Jeremy. Looking at it closely, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to accept that Neville phoned him with such shocking news but he phones Julie, getting her out of bed at an unholy hour and doesn't mention it, other than cryptically. It started to feel as if he was buying time, as with the delay in calling the police. He seems not to have mentioned the boys when telling the police who was in the house. I can accept that at his age he may not have been too interested in them, but this was a potentially dangerous situation.

Thank you April for your honest answer - I am always interested to see if it is the "bigger picture" or the small details that change peoples minds.

I did see a comment excusing Julie for her reaction on the night because she was confused by being woken up early in the morning and had probably been smoking cannabis , that's why she changed her mind about the timings and the wording of the call. But no one is willing to apply that reasoning to Jeremy. Perhaps he had smoked pot as well and was not really with it , but did not really want to admit that to the police?

It would be interesting to write a timeline of what apparently happened that night between the alleged calls and the police arriving - if we took the original statements from Jeremy and Julie and the police - but unfortunately Julie changing her mind and the police changing theirs means we can really do that.

I still feel that if Jeremy is innocent then Sheila had not started shooting when Neville  called  - and he did not think she would . He just felt he needed help to calm her .

If Jeremy is guilty - then trying to "set the call" as his alibi seems daft to me - he could just have left them all to be found in the morning - no time of death and the same scenario . And if he was going to use the call I don't think he would have let the police try and confuse him in their questioning because he would have known 100% the time of his call and his call to Julie.

My overwhelming feeling as well is that he would have no way of knowing that as he would be leaving what seems to be such an obviously staged scene that the police would suss out something was wrong straight away - so he would of course be a suspect and therefore his planning would have had to have been so meticulous he would not have made the mistakes that he obviously did.

I know certain posters make a big deal of the bible being on top of the blood and the body having been moved - and I would agree that would be incriminating - but there is the fact that three officers commented about the bible/rifle/head being different in the photos . As much as those comments are being dismissed they did happen and they were experienced officers - why would they comment at all if they did not think there was a problem? If the police moved the body /bible/rifle before the photographs then we are not looking at the original crime scene exactly as it was and I think that could be possible.

IMO :)

I respect NEARLY everyones opinions on here . Because as we have to remind ourselves because MOST of what is posted is opinions unless there are documents to back it up.


There I of course one other possible scenario that Jeremy could never admit to because it would mean he is guilty and that is that Julie was actually in on everything from the start and was going to benefit financially - but she decided to turn him in because he jilted her . Don't think it is likely - but then again what is logical about murder - nothing as far as I can see.