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Offline JackiePreece

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #150 on: September 07, 2014, 10:27:AM »


Jansus, the system, IMO, was only able to let Sheila down because there was collusion. I was speaking with friends of the Bambers yesterday and they had NO idea about Sheila's illness. This, I believe was one of the reasons for her private treatment -a doctor friend once told me that he often found that patients who were known personally to him, visited private doctors when they had conditions they didn't wish to share with him- treating her locally would have been SO much easier, there was a psychiatric facility within 10 miles of them and the Maudsley in London provided excellent psych care, however, tucked away in the wilds of Northamptonshire, there was no danger of family, friends, neighbours and community knowing.


Exactly friends of the Bambers ??
Do you mean friends of Jeremy?
Why do you think hardly anyone posts on this forum since you and the other moderators let the bullying start
It's constant with Lookout
It was constant with [DELETED] I have never read so much rubbish in all my life
It is without a doubt that people closest to Sheila KNEW she was suicidal
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #151 on: September 07, 2014, 10:32:AM »
April I will tell you what suicidal is what this forum let happen with [DELETED]Do you know how ill she was did you even care
No you didn't because it went on for weeks
Well I hope you suffer what she had to for weeks
I hope you feel what Sheila felt because it's right there staring you right in the face
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #152 on: September 07, 2014, 10:34:AM »
Presumably, if there was irrefutable proof that Sheila had committed suicide, you'd be using what she said to Helen Grimster as evidence that she was contemplating it.

But I would not need to strain to pretend she told Grimster that she contemplated it recently.  It woudl be sufficient to say she told Grimster and Ferguson she contemplated it in the past and there is irrefutable evidence she did so thus obviously she kept contemplating it and finally did so.

Also you would use evidence from anyone that says she was depressed because suicide can result from.  By no stretch do most people with depression commit suicide but a majority of people who commit suicide suffer from depression.

The problem here is that there is evidence that cuts the opposite way which says she didn't commit suicide and it is being met with straining to say she definitely would have committed suicide.

We have the added problem of the murders in this case.  The boys being killed would not be so problemmatic other than with respect to a lack of phycial evidence of having killed them. Mothers who commit suicide frequently (though not a majority of the time) kill their children first.  They usually don't kill extended family unless they are also dependants.  Family of schizohreniscs who are killed are usually caretakers who stand in the way of the aspirations of the schizophrenics in some way.  They don't kill the caretakers then just commit suicide they go try to do something that they felt they were being prevented from doing.

So fitting in the murder of the parents is much harder.  But at least itf there were the physical evidence it would be credible such had happened and that we just didn't figure out the motivation.  The lack of physical evidence is the main problem.  When you add that to all Jeremy's efforts to put the blame on his sister he is effectively screwed.

The key to Jeremy's defense is trying to get around that physical evidence and try to explain away othe rthings liek the staging of the bullets in the kitchen and phone he hid in the kitchen.  Mike is the onyl supporter to consistently tackle such but he does so in a dishonest fashion which helps Jeremy not at all because none of such can be used in court since it is bogus (some was already rejected by the courts and CCRC) and when people realize he lied to them it makes them think not willing to listen to anything from Jeremy's side assuming all of it is rubbish.

The physical evidence seems unassailable so I can see why supporters want to avoid dealing with it but debating the periphery won't establish his innocence.  Straining about peripheral issues seems even more pointless than straining over the main evidence.  Mike's straining at least would mean something if true the strianing here would not change a thing and of course I am not defending Mike's actions.  It is just he usually talks about the things that are critical that others usually avoid that I admire, not they way he goes about doing such.

   

   
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #153 on: September 07, 2014, 10:40:AM »
April I will tell you what suicidal is what this forum let happen with [DELETED] Do you know how ill she was did you even care
No you didn't because it went on for weeks
Well I hope you suffer what she had to for weeks
I hope you feel what Sheila felt because it's right there staring you right in the face


Thank-you for those good wishes, Jackie. As I had NO idea who was [DELETED], it would have been  impossible for me to know what was her state of health.
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #154 on: September 07, 2014, 10:44:AM »

Thank-you for those good wishes, Jackie.


You didn't answer my question which Bambers
Friends of Jeremy?
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #155 on: September 07, 2014, 10:45:AM »

You didn't answer my question which Bambers
Friends of Jeremy?



That's right, I didn't. They're MY friends.

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #156 on: September 07, 2014, 10:46:AM »
April I will tell you what suicidal is what this forum let happen with [DELETED]Do you know how ill she was did you even care
No you didn't because it went on for weeks
Well I hope you suffer what she had to for weeks
I hope you feel what Sheila felt because it's right there staring you right in the face

You have been warned Jackie.  This is your final warning.  Do not attack the administrators or moderators on this board.

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #157 on: September 07, 2014, 10:59:AM »


That's right, I didn't. They're MY friends.

How dare you have friends!!!!!!  :P

You should be ashamed of yourself!  :D

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #158 on: September 07, 2014, 11:01:AM »
Here we go again threatened for speaking up on Jeremy and [DELETED] and Lookouts behalf.

This meant to be a forum for discussion and it appears you are using any personal issues you have with Jeremy  to allow Moderators to make out they have exclusive information about the case that shows Jeremy to be definately guilty.

As far as I am concerned all the Bambers that are relevant are dead.

I didn't see you making open threats like you have made to me when when [DELETED] were abused week after week.

If you think Jeremy Bamber is guilty why don't you just say so
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #159 on: September 07, 2014, 11:04:AM »
How dare you have friends!!!!!!  :P

You should be ashamed of yourself!  :D



Grovels, abeyances and abject apologies, my lord. :D

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #160 on: September 07, 2014, 11:06:AM »


Grovels, abeyances and abject apologies, my lord. :D

 ;D This place is very silly at times.

I think I'll crawl back under my rock until the big bad wolf has passed.  :-[

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #161 on: September 07, 2014, 11:10:AM »
;D This place is very silly at times.

I think I'll crawl back under my rock until the big bad wolf has passed.  :-[



Awww, I won't have anyone to play with :( :( :( :(

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #162 on: September 07, 2014, 11:12:AM »
Here we go again threatened for speaking up on Jeremy and [DELETED] and Lookouts behalf

This meant to be a forum for discussion and it appears you are using any personal issues you have with Jeremy to allow Moderators to make out they have exclusive information about the case that shows Jeremy to be definately guilty

As far as I am concerned all the Bambers that are relevant are dead

I didn't see you making open threats like you have made to when when [DELETED] were abused week after week

If you think Jeremy Bamber is guilty why don't you just say so


OMG!! How hypocritical! You're not sticking up for anyone, you're using other people to have digs at mods and admins and if anyone is pretending to have inside info, it's you. You still haven't provided a source for your first claim in this thread and yet, you're trying to demand one from Adam. You're shifting the debate away from JB to make personal remarks because you're defense argument is weak!
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #163 on: September 07, 2014, 11:12:AM »
Here we go again threatened for speaking up on Jeremy and [DELETED] and Lookouts behalf.

This meant to be a forum for discussion and it appears you are using any personal issues you have with Jeremy  to allow Moderators to make out they have exclusive information about the case that shows Jeremy to be definately guilty.

As far as I am concerned all the Bambers that are relevant are dead.

I didn't see you making open threats like you have made to me when when [DELETED] were abused week after week.

If you think Jeremy Bamber is guilty why don't you just say so.


I do not know what you are talking about.  I have no personal issues with Jeremy.  I had a friendly chat with him last week.  The moderators are allowed to have opinions on the case and to express them.  Mike has always made clear that this is a discussion forum and all views can be expressed, as long as this is done in a respectful manner. 

You have been warned repeatedly not to attack the admins/mods.  You have chosen to ignore that warning.  You are now banned for 24 hours.  If you post attacks elsewhere during that period your ban will be made permanent.
 
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #164 on: September 07, 2014, 11:16:AM »
;D This place is very silly at times.

I think I'll crawl back under my rock until the big bad wolf has passed.  :-[

Phew, safe again.  :D