Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?

[lookout]

As I said,carry on as you were.

[Caroline]

I would be interested in who believes Nevill made a call period after seeing this debate and why they think so.

Me too - I feel a poll coming on!! 

[Caroline]

As I said,carry on as you were.

Very good sir! 

[susan]

Hi Guys

I did until quite recently believed that Ralph Bamber called Jeremy and the police, infact I believed quite a lot of things but no longer I am now seeing things differently hence the change in stance to a guilty one.

[lookout]

Is it because of the 10 minute or so gap from Jeremy ringing his father then the phone at WHF being engaged ?

[Caroline]

Is it because of the 10 minute or so gap from Jeremy ringing his father then the phone at WHF being engaged ?

If as Jeremy said, it was around 03:10 when Neville called and he called him straight back - why was the phone engaged? Neville isn't supposed to have called until around 03:26 and Jeremy's call is logged even later at 03:36. Moreover, what were they both doing during the time when no one is calling anyone (Around 16 mins for Neville and 26 for Jeremy)? And even more coincidence - after Neville is 'supposed' to have called police - the phone is engaged 'again'. So no, it's nothing to do with '10 mins' it's everything about the supposed call. There is nothing to favour that it ever happened.

[Reader]

Why not try 3:22 instead of 3:10? If Pc West could make a mistake, so could Jeremy.

On the call time issue, I'm going by what I've seen rather than things such as PC West's pocketbook (that I haven’t seen).

On their own, the two logged times (3:26 and 3:36) suggest two separate calls. That's not the only possible explanation, of course, but it's an explanation directly suggested by the fact that different call times are logged.

We know that EP investigated this issue and even a year later still hadn't reached a definitive conclusion. It’s not difficult to check two clocks, so why did they fail?

Pc West also logged that the operator said the WHF telephone was off-hook at 3:42. His evidence indicates this occurred after Jeremy’s call ended, which is consistent with Jeremy’s call having started at about 3:36 as there is no proof that Jeremy’s call lasted more than 6 minutes.

Pc West also logged that CA7 was “@ scene” at 3:50. That’s consistent with Jeremy having left home at about 3:42 and driven at a normal speed to the place where he was overtaken by CA7. One of the officers in CA7 estimated that Jeremy was driving at no more than 30mph when overtaken. Nobody in CA7 said Jeremy was going slowly.

I’ll deal with the age discrepancy separately.

[Caroline]

Why not try 3:22 instead of 3:10? If Pc West could make a mistake, so could Jeremy.

On the call time issue, I'm going by what I've seen rather than things such as PC West's pocketbook (that I haven’t seen).

On their own, the two logged times (3:26 and 3:36) suggest two separate calls. That's not the only possible explanation, of course, but it's an explanation directly suggested by the fact that different call times are logged.

We know that EP investigated this issue and even a year later still hadn't reached a definitive conclusion. It’s not difficult to check two clocks, so why did they fail?

Pc West also logged that the operator said the WHF telephone was off-hook at 3:42. His evidence indicates this occurred after Jeremy’s call ended, which is consistent with Jeremy’s call having started at about 3:36 as there is no proof that Jeremy’s call lasted more than 6 minutes.

Pc West also logged that CA7 was “@ scene” at 3:50. That’s consistent with Jeremy having left home at about 3:42 and driven at a normal speed to the place where he was overtaken by CA7. One of the officers in CA7 estimated that Jeremy was driving at no more than 30mph when overtaken. Nobody in CA7 said Jeremy was going slowly.

I’ll deal with the age discrepancy separately.

You're just changing the nature of the evidence to try and suit your position. West may not have made a mistake and was simply sloppy - filling the time in after the call.

There was no call - that much is pretty obvious to most people, even members who lean towards Jeremy being  innocent.

[Reader]

That's irrelevant. I'm asserting there is some doubt about it, and that is true. I'm considering the times that were logged, and I haven't changed them. Also, I'm pointing out that the police investigated this issue and didn't resolve it definitively. You haven't explained why they're still contradicting each other regarding the accuracy of the clock.

[No-Bits]

That's irrelevant. I'm asserting there is some doubt about it, and that is true. I'm considering the times that were logged, and I haven't changed them. Also, I'm pointing out that the police investigated this issue and didn't resolve it definitively. You haven't explained why they're still contradicting each other regarding the accuracy of the clock.

They did resolve it.

They concluded that the only possibility was that West, for some reason (any reason, it doesn't matter) wrote the wrong time down.

You can pretend otherwise if you want, but it is absolutely clear that there is no evidence or even a suggestion that Nevill called the police..

[Caroline]

They did resolve it.

They concluded that the only possibility was that West, for some reason (any reason, it doesn't matter) wrote the wrong time down.

You can pretend otherwise if you want, but it is absolutely clear that there is no evidence or even a suggestion that Nevill called the police..

He clearly wrote it at the end of the call but because it's bad practice, he didn't want to admit to it although he did 'hint' that he may have written the wrong time.

[Reader]

You know that's not what I'm referring to. Pc West said in court the clock was accurate. His colleague, A/Ps Smith, said it wasn't.

[Caroline]

You know that's not what I'm referring to. Pc West said in court the clock was accurate. His colleague, A/Ps Smith, said it wasn't.

To be honest, I'm not sure where you are trying to go - there is no evidence of Neville's call - in fact, quite the opposite but you continue to grasp onto it. I don't get it.

[Reader]

What explanation do you have for the disagreement about the clock's accuracy? The clock could hardly be accurate for one officer and inaccurate for another.

[Caroline]

What explanation do you have for the disagreement about the clock's accuracy? The clock could hardly be accurate for one officer and inaccurate for another.

There is no disagreement, West made a mistake.