Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?

[nugnug]

   We don't know what EP did tell the relatives in their attempt to convince them of Sheila's culpability so we cannot know what they didn't tell them. Whatever information was disclosed to the relatives; it would appear that they were unable/unwilling to be swayed by whatever these revelations were.
   How can we be sure that the relatives weren't told and that this is the reason they set about trying to prove that Jeremy could have made both calls with  theories about wetsuits and bikes?
 

what ever they told the relative they ethere wernt convinced or wernt bothered anyway.

[Caroline]

   We don't know what EP did tell the relatives in their attempt to convince them of Sheila's culpability so we cannot know what they didn't tell them. Whatever information was disclosed to the relatives; it would appear that they were unable/unwilling to be swayed by whatever these revelations were.
   How can we be sure that the relatives weren't told and that this is the reason they set about trying to prove that Jeremy could have made both calls with  theories about wetsuits and bikes?
 

I give up!

[Caroline]

what ever they told the relative they ethere convinced or wernt bothered anyway.

I'm not sure why this is difficult for people to understand BUT if there had been a call from Neville there is NO WAY they could have had a case against Jeremy! The call times (for a start) are 5 mins apart on West and Bonnet's log. West obviously got the time wrong because if Jeremy called him at 03:36 and that was the start of his call, there is NO WAY he'd have made it to the crime scene at the time stated. This is getting silly - the call from Neville didn't happen. It's gleamingly obvious. The two logs refer to the same call and if a call from Neville had been made, the relatives would have had to accept Sheila was the culprit.

[No-Bits]

I'm not sure why this is difficult for people to understand BUT if there had been a call from Neville there is NO WAY they could have had a case against Jeremy! The call times (for a start) are 5 mins apart on West and Bonnet's log. West obviously got the time wrong because if Jeremy called him at 03:36 and that was the start of his call, there is NO WAY he'd have made it to the crime scene at the time stated. This is getting silly - the call from Neville didn't happen. It's gleamingly obvious. The two logs refer to the same call and if a call from Neville had been made, the relatives would have had to accept Sheila was the culprit.

So ridiculously silly, that I suspect certain members are conducting their arguments simply as a wind up.

[gringo]

Both what calls?  There was only a single call to police.

  There was an attempt to prove that Jeremy could have called his cottage from WHF and make it back to Goldhanger to then ring the police which suggests that the police were convinced of at least one call from WHF and one from Goldhanger.
       I can think of no good reason why the police would attempt to establish that Jeremy called his own cottage unless they knew that such a call had taken place.

[nugnug]

they also accused mathew MacDonald of phoning him from there.

[nugnug]

I'm not sure why this is difficult for people to understand BUT if there had been a call from Neville there is NO WAY they could have had a case against Jeremy! The call times (for a start) are 5 mins apart on West and Bonnet's log. West obviously got the time wrong because if Jeremy called him at 03:36 and that was the start of his call, there is NO WAY he'd have made it to the crime scene at the time stated. This is getting silly - the call from Neville didn't happen. It's gleamingly obvious. The two logs refer to the same call and if a call from Neville had been made, the relatives would have had to accept Sheila was the culprit.

i think we are talking across purposes.

i dident mention the phonecall.

what i mean is what ever taff jones told them to justify his belief it was suicide they ever wernt convinced or wernt bothered.

[Caroline]

i think we are talking across purposes.

i dident mention the phonecall.

Yes, Nugs, my reply wasn't meant for you, I quoted the wrong post - soz!

[Caroline]

  There was an attempt to prove that Jeremy could have called his cottage from WHF and make it back to Goldhanger to then ring the police which suggests that the police were convinced of at least one call from WHF and one from Goldhanger.
       I can think of no good reason why the police would attempt to establish that Jeremy called his own cottage unless they knew that such a call had taken place.

But that's just your opinion and has nothing to do with Neville's call to police.

[Caroline]

So ridiculously silly, that I suspect certain members are conducting their arguments simply as a wind up.

I agree, are people bothered about the truth or in just protecting what they have believed for so long?

[gringo]

I'm not sure why this is difficult for people to understand BUT if there had been a call from Neville there is NO WAY they could have had a case against Jeremy! The call times (for a start) are 5 mins apart on West and Bonnet's log. West obviously got the time wrong because if Jeremy called him at 03:36 and that was the start of his call, there is NO WAY he'd have made it to the crime scene at the time stated. This is getting silly - the call from Neville didn't happen. It's gleamingly obvious. The two logs refer to the same call and if a call from Neville had been made, the relatives would have had to accept Sheila was the culprit.

  It's not that people don't understand, just that they don't agree with your "gleamingly" obvious conclusions.

[Caroline]

  It's not that people don't understand, just that they don't agree with your "gleamingly" obvious conclusions.

So, you actually believe that Neville called Bonnet at 03:26 and Jeremy Called West at 03:36? Even though this would make it impossible for him to arrive at the scene at the time indicated? You think even though they had proof that Neville called the the police, they still framed Jeremy and just never mentioned  the call from Neville to anyone?

Bonnet's log even states that the call was received from CD 1990 

[scipio_usmc]

I'm not sure why this is difficult for people to understand BUT if there had been a call from Neville there is NO WAY they could have had a case against Jeremy! The call times (for a start) are 5 mins apart on West and Bonnet's log. West obviously got the time wrong because if Jeremy called him at 03:36 and that was the start of his call, there is NO WAY he'd have made it to the crime scene at the time stated. This is getting silly - the call from Neville didn't happen. It's gleamingly obvious. The two logs refer to the same call and if a call from Neville had been made, the relatives would have had to accept Sheila was the culprit.

If there were a call from Nevill to police the only way Jeremy could be the killer would be if he forced Nevill to make such a call and Nevill complied.  Nevill would have to assume Jeremy would then kill them and blame Sheila so Nevill would be unlikely to comply. He woudl be better off telling the turth that Jeremy had a gun on him and then Jeremy would have to either kill him knowing he would be blamed or give up and settle for assault charges. Jeremy would not want to take such a risk.

Likewise it would be unlikely for a third party to want them dead and to put Nevill up to such a call to frame Sheila.

So if Nevill did make such a call there woudl be a tremendous burden to establish Nevll was put up to such call. 

For a month police believed Jeremy's claims for the most part.  There were only a handful of concerns until the lab results came back.  If Nevill had called police they would have believed him in full and had no doubts at all until those lab results came back.  Given that initial month they still supported the murder suicide theory there is no reason at all they would have hide a call from Nevill.

More importantly there is no evidence of a call from Nevill the supposed evidence it little more than a joke.  The supposed evidence is that Bonnett wrote a quote supposedly from Nevill.  They say though Bonnett claims the quote was passed to West from Jeremy and then from West to Bonnett that they believe Nevill spoke to Bonnett directly. On what planet is that evidence?  It is an unsupported allegation merely.


   

[Caroline]

If there were a call from Nevill to police the only way Jeremy could be the killer would be if he forced Nevill to make such a call and Nevill complied.  Nevill would have to assume Jeremy would then kill them and blame Sheila so Nevill would be unlikely to comply. He woudl be better off telling the turth that Jeremy had a gun on him and then Jeremy would have to either kill him knowing he would be blamed or give up and settle for assault charges. Jeremy would not want to take such a risk.

Likewise it would be unlikely for a third party to want them dead and to put Nevill up to such a call to frame Sheila.

So if Nevill did make such a call there woudl be a tremendous burden to establish Nevll was put up to such call. 

For a month police believed Jeremy's claims for the most part.  There were only a handful of concerns until the lab results came back.  If Nevill had called police they would have believed him in full and had no doubts at all until those lab results came back.  Given that initial month they still supported the murder suicide theory there is no reason at all they would have hide a call from Nevill.

More importantly there is no evidence of a call from Nevill the supposed evidence it little more than a joke.  The supposed evidence is that Bonnett wrote a quote supposedly from Nevill.  They say though Bonnett claims the quote was passed to West from Jeremy and then from West to Bonnett that they believe Nevill spoke to Bonnett directly. On what planet is that evidence?  It is an unsupported allegation merely.


 

On planet 'Weak' in the constellation of 'Desperate'

[guest7363]

I do know one thing,and that's when a call comes through to the station,if it's not an emergency call,the phone isn't answered as quickly , because there are special lines for emergency calls. So Jeremy could have been left waiting while someone eventually answered it.

Has anyone tried ringing the non-emergency number ?

So why then would Bamber not call 999 then? You know its not treat as emergency i know its not and everyone else knows it, except of course Jeremy?