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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #135 on: August 28, 2014, 09:41:PM »
Logging , writing recalling the timings could well be incorrect this is nothing scarce or very rare it still happens today why would anyone think it was not possible .

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #136 on: August 28, 2014, 09:51:PM »
Quite clearly, he didn't call the police . . .
Why, then, did Malcolm Bonnett make a statement that clearly states that he despatched car CA07, contradicting Pc West's statement that he had done that? That's not just a minor mistake that often occurs.

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #137 on: August 28, 2014, 09:51:PM »
Because these emergency calls are recorded,wouldn't someone have recognised both calls in the same voice when played back ?

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« Reply #138 on: August 28, 2014, 09:52:PM »
Because these emergency calls are recorded,wouldn't someone have recognised both calls in the same voice when played back ?

Caroline has already explained this to you.

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #139 on: August 28, 2014, 09:53:PM »
Because these emergency calls are recorded,wouldn't someone have recognised both calls in the same voice when played back ?

What 'both' calls?
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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #140 on: August 28, 2014, 09:55:PM »
Oh dear,I don't know anything,do I ? Considering it was one of the first questions I'd asked over 2 years ago,which obviously fell on deaf ears,or in this case,blind eyes.

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #141 on: August 28, 2014, 10:12:PM »
Why, then, did Malcolm Bonnett make a statement that clearly states that he despatched car CA07, contradicting Pc West's statement that he had done that? That's not just a minor mistake that often occurs.

I don't see what difference that makes but where does West state that he sent car CA07?
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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #142 on: August 28, 2014, 10:13:PM »
Oh dear,I don't know anything,do I ? Considering it was one of the first questions I'd asked over 2 years ago,which obviously fell on deaf ears,or in this case,blind eyes.

That's the point Lookout, there weren't 2 calls and Jeremy didn't make an emergency call - he didn't call 999.
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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #143 on: August 28, 2014, 10:22:PM »
 I do know one thing,and that's when a call comes through to the station,if it's not an emergency call,the phone isn't answered as quickly , because there are special lines for emergency calls. So Jeremy could have been left waiting while someone eventually answered it.

Has anyone tried ringing the non-emergency number ?

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #144 on: August 28, 2014, 10:23:PM »
Why, then, did Malcolm Bonnett make a statement that clearly states that he despatched car CA07, contradicting Pc West's statement that he had done that? That's not just a minor mistake that often occurs.

I don't think there is a contradiction.

West contacted Bonnett to find the nearest unit and what station covered the area, Bonnett dispatched CA07. West then contacted Witham station himself to inform them of the incident and pass on any details.

Look at the first page of Bonnett's log, it says CONTROL under the CA07 despatch. Perhaps that indicates the unit was despatched by the control room at HQ, I.e. Bonnett?

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #145 on: August 28, 2014, 10:28:PM »
It was a srcret service operation. Special branch controlled what could be disclosed or withheld - almost everything llinked to this particular family protection program is withheld under pii...

What a load of nonsense. The secret service and special branch had nothing at all to do with the operation.  All the police involved were just ordinary officers.  The only one alleged to have been a secret service member was Woodcock and such claims are complete BS her simply was a firearm instructor not a SB detective:

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #146 on: August 28, 2014, 10:34:PM »
I don't think there is a contradiction.

West contacted Bonnett to find the nearest unit and what station covered the area, Bonnett dispatched CA07. West then contacted Witham station himself to inform them of the incident and pass on any details.

Look at the first page of Bonnett's log, it says CONTROL under the CA07 despatch. Perhaps that indicates the unit was despite he'd by the control room at HQ, I.e. Bonnett?



Thought I was going mad there - that's the way I read it too! Thanks Harters!
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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #147 on: August 28, 2014, 11:00:PM »
I don't see what difference that makes but where does West state that he sent car CA07?

He never explicitly claimed such.  He claimed he spoke to Bonnett to find out what car was in the vicinity and that he spoke directly to Witham after speaking to Bonnett. Some assume this means he claims he ordered the car to go but there is no actual evidence of that and he didn't claim it.

It should be noted that an assessment of his testimony criticized him for not being prepared and not being aware of what he had written in his statements and having to have the statements handed to him in court to see. So he seemed to only know the very general issues not specifics. 
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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #148 on: August 28, 2014, 11:15:PM »
   We don't know what EP did tell the relatives in their attempt to convince them of Sheila's culpability so we cannot know what they didn't tell them. Whatever information was disclosed to the relatives; it would appear that they were unable/unwilling to be swayed by whatever these revelations were.
   How can we be sure that the relatives weren't told and that this is the reason they set about trying to prove that Jeremy could have made both calls with  theories about wetsuits and bikes?
 

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #149 on: August 28, 2014, 11:28:PM »
   We don't know what EP did tell the relatives in their attempt to convince them of Sheila's culpability so we cannot know what they didn't tell them. Whatever information was disclosed to the relatives; it would appear that they were unable/unwilling to be swayed by whatever these revelations were.
   How can we be sure that the relatives weren't told and that this is the reason they set about trying to prove that Jeremy could have made both calls with  theories about wetsuits and bikes?
 

Both what calls?  There was only a single call to police. 
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