Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?

[Jane]

They didn't have so much as a burglar alarm fitted until after the murders. Any kind of state protection would make sure they lived in a secure property (at the least). Someone who was an important Secret Service spy with delicate info would have had a new identity. They wouldn't leave him in the middle of nowhere like a sitting duck. I can't buy into any kind of SB scenario. Although as an argument, it's quite clever because it leads an opposing argument with nowhere to go, other than to say - I don't believe it.

Caroline, that's interesting because my friend and her husband had actually bought a house for their retirement, but before they could come out of hiding SB had to confirm that it was safe for them to be there which meant the surrounding area, too. There were 4!!! of them living with my friend and her husband. She said it was HELL!!!!!

[mike tesko]

So, the fac that PS Woodcock was a SB officer involved in the seige, raid, and management of the scene has no relevance at all then?

Also the FACT that destruction and disposal of key exhibits were authorised by an  SB Inspector, counts for nothing...

Think again...

[Reader]

It's quite possible that SB chose to get involved. It''s highly unlikely that SB thought Nevill needed substantial protection, as WHF would have been made more secure if that were the case. However, they may well have wanted to check on telephone calls for other reasons, such as a drugs-related investigation. Note that "secret service" is incorrect terminology.

[Caroline]

So, the fac that PS Woodcock was a SB officer involved in the seige, raid, and management of the scene has no relevance at all then?

Also the FACT that destruction and disposal of key exhibits were authorised by an  SB Inspector, counts for nothing...

Think again...

Don't know about your first point but I don't see how just because SB had some later involvement that the case is linked to spy's and the underworld. But even if it were true, it still doesn't explain why the phone call from Neville Bamber was kept secret at the expense of sending an innocent man to prison for something he didn't do. What risk would there have been to national security to divulge the phone call from Neville stating his daughter had gone berserk and had a gun - thus saving his son from a lifetime of incarceration?

[Jan]

Don't know about your first point but I don't see how just because SB had some later involvement that the case is linked to spy's and the underworld. But even if it were true, it still doesn't explain why the phone call from Neville Bamber was kept secret at the expense of sending an innocent man to prison for something he didn't do. What risk would there have been to national security to divulge the phone call from Neville stating his daughter had gone berserk and had a gun - thus saving his son from a lifetime of incarceration?

I agree Caroline - if they wanted a cover up then they could have stuck to the murder suicide story and possibly got through the inquest stage and it all would have gone away.Dont forget that the police at one time told the family the "facts" what ever they were to make them realise how wrong they were about Jeremy.

The police have not done themselves any favours because of the number of meetings that were apparently held with the family that were not recorded anywhere.

They have totally made every aspect of this case look so suspicious .

[Caroline]

I agree Caroline - if they wanted a cover up then they could have stuck to the murder suicide story and possibly got through the inquest stage and it all would have gone away.Dont forget that the police at one time told the family the "facts" what ever they were to make them realise how wrong they were about Jeremy.

The police have not done themselves any favours because of the number of meetings that were apparently held with the family that were not recorded anywhere.

They have totally made every aspect of this case look so suspicious .

Thanks Jansus and I agree that EP handled the case like a complete load of amateurs. They bungled just about everything that was possible to bungle. But alas, there is no mileage in the suggestion that Neville called the police because it just simply doesn't hold water. 

[Jan]

Out of interest Caroline - do you know why the Dickinson report was commissioned? I am finding it interesting - but not sure why it happened? - after all they got their man in the end.

Have noticed some errors in it though.

[lookout]

You'll find some interesting answers to that on the Jeremy Bamber Official Website,headed " Dickinson Enquiry "

[lookout]

That according to a shortage of resources,Jones,Cook and Montgomery had failed to request that a pathologist and ballistics expert to attend the scene with the bodies in-situ.

[Caroline]

Out of interest Caroline - do you know why the Dickinson report was commissioned? I am finding it interesting - but not sure why it happened? - after all they got their man in the end.

Have noticed some errors in it though.

There is an explanation here Jansus http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/dickinson-enquiry.

[Jan]

thanks caroline

So basically the judge ( who was not at all biased  probably thought that Jeremy nearly got away with it. OR on reflection he was not happy about certain evidence they presented .

How interesting would it be to have the whole trial transcript.

I have only skim read the report - but there are definitely some errors - plus it seems to say lots of mistakes - no retribution - lets move forward ( how many times do we hear that when the establishment muck up!)  tiny slap on the wrist.

[Caroline]

thanks caroline

So basically the judge ( who was not at all biased  probably thought that Jeremy nearly got away with it. OR on reflection he was not happy about certain evidence they presented .

How interesting would it be to have the whole trial transcript.

I have only skim read the report - but there are definitely some errors - plus it seems to say lots of mistakes - no retribution - lets move forward ( how many times do we hear that when the establishment muck up!)  tiny slap on the wrist.

Must admit, I have only read bits of it but I'll have to make an effort and read it through. Yes, the establishment are never 'ultimately wrong' and hardly ever face consequences.

[Reader]

They bungled just about everything that was possible to bungle. But alas, there is no mileage in the suggestion that Neville called the police because it just simply doesn't hold water.

If Nevill didn't call the police, an explanation is needed for why Pc West and Malcolm Bonnett contradicted each other as to who sent car CA07, why Malcolm Bonnett didn't state in his log who had called Pc West, or log Pc West's request for the name of the police station that covered WHF, and why the terminology was changed ("sister" to "daughter", and so on). If any of these things was clearly against standard procedure for dealing with this kind of incident, an explanation is required.

[Caroline]

If Nevill didn't call the police, an explanation is needed for why Pc West and Malcolm Bonnett contradicted each other as to who sent car CA07, why Malcolm Bonnett didn't state in his log who had called Pc West, or log Pc West's request for the name of the police station that covered WHF, and why the terminology was changed ("sister" to "daughter", and so on). If any of these things was clearly against standard procedure for dealing with this kind of incident, an explanation is required.

Quite clearly, he didn't call the police - by suggesting he did, you need to explain why his call was never mentioned - not even by Taff Jones who wanted the relatives off his back. Stan Jones would never have suspected Jeremy if he knew that Neville had also reported the incident.

[Adam]

Yes the EP did make mistakes.

The judge said because they were lead in a direction by Jeremy.

Bob Woffinden says the mistakes benefit Jeremy more. He is able to jump on any tiny detail and try to work it in his favour.