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Re: Chelmsford police station control room clocks
« Reply #90 on: August 23, 2014, 08:04:PM »
No she didn't. He wasn't the one injecting it. The doctors actually injecting her were doing so once a month only.  That is where a rational person looks when they want to knwo what she was given- the injeciton dates and dosages from the people actually doing it.

I already addressed this claim when you and others mad eit in the past.  Ferguson messed up when he said fortnightly.  In his September 1985 statement he corrected himself and said monthly:



You keep saying you are being picked on but the truth is you constantly make the same errors and have to keep having them corrected.


Surely any indiscrepency is on the part of wrong information given in the witness statement. CERTAINLY not on the part of, in this case, Alias, who is quoting it. One can equally well say that it's you who've got it wrong.

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Re: Chelmsford police station control room clocks
« Reply #91 on: August 23, 2014, 08:07:PM »
It's a pity this thread went off-topic, the OP was interesting. 

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Re: Chelmsford police station control room clocks
« Reply #92 on: August 23, 2014, 08:07:PM »


Scipio, the law of averages allows for you getting some facts right but can you point me to exactly WHERE Nevill told Jeremy that Sheila was in a crazy rage and running around with a rifle.

That she put a phone down without saying good-night ISN'T necessarily an indication of tiredness. It could just as easily have been an indication of irritation.

Irritation at what?  She was reportedly quiet during the conversation with Pam not evidencing any irration.  It was Nevill who evidenced irritation when talking to the farm secretary.

Jeremy told West and the police at the scene that Nevill stated over the phone that Sheila had gone crazy and had a gun.   

Where was she with the gun at the time of the alleged call?  That is what all rational people want to know as well as why Nevill would be on the phone with Jeremy instead of trying to disarm her himself either with his bare hands or grabbing a kife, gun or other weapon available in the kitchen to use to disarm her.  Even more curious rational peopel want to know why she woudl not shoot him upon discovering him on the phone but instead to disconnect the call and march him upstairs to kill him with June instead of killing him and then going upstairs after her.
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Re: Chelmsford police station control room clocks
« Reply #93 on: August 23, 2014, 08:11:PM »

Surely any indiscrepency is on the part of wrong information given in the witness statement. CERTAINLY not on the part of, in this case, Alias, who is quoting it. One can equally well say that it's you who've got it wrong.

Exactly! I can´t believe this person is for real! I present the statement, black on white, but I am irrational for doing so!!!  :o

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Re: Chelmsford police station control room clocks
« Reply #94 on: August 23, 2014, 08:12:PM »
No she didn't. He wasn't the one injecting it. The doctors actually injecting her were doing so once a month only.  That is where a rational person looks when they want to knwo what she was given- the injeciton dates and dosages from the people actually doing it.

I already addressed this claim when you and others mad eit in the past.  Ferguson messed up when he said fortnightly.  In his September 1985 statement he corrected himself and said monthly:



You keep saying you are being picked on but the truth is you constantly make the same errors and have to keep having them corrected.

you are a sanctimonius and very rude person - I could say worse but I would be dragging myself down to your level. How come Ferguson is allowed to mess up and correct himself ? How come the police are allowed to mess up and correct themselves , how come the family are allowed to get confused mess up and correct themselves , how come Julie is allowed to "misunderstand" a man threatening to kill all his family - I see a distinct pattern here - you excusing professionals and family who had a mans freedom in their hands but still continued to mess up and change statements  etc etc . And you can sit there and excuse them because it suits your arguments . Don't answer my post because I cant be bothered to read your posts until you fall off your high horse >:(

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Re: Chelmsford police station control room clocks
« Reply #95 on: August 23, 2014, 08:18:PM »
A professional who can't even spell INTRAMUSCULARLY !

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« Reply #96 on: August 23, 2014, 08:25:PM »
Dr, Ferguson writes about the reduction of the dose from 200 mgs every two weeks to the same dose once per month. It cannot be any clearer!

"The drug presctibed to Sheila Caffell was Haloperidol Decanoate, HCF administered fortnightly in a 200 mg injection by her General Practitoner.
I was last aware of her prescription in July 1985 and I believe that Sheila was anxious to reduce the prescription, in other words to have the same injection, but on a monthly basis."
« Last Edit: August 23, 2014, 08:50:PM by Alias »

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Re: Chelmsford police station control room clocks
« Reply #97 on: August 23, 2014, 08:28:PM »
Irritation at what?  She was reportedly quiet during the conversation with Pam not evidencing any irration.  It was Nevill who evidenced irritation when talking to the farm secretary.

Jeremy told West and the police at the scene that Nevill stated over the phone that Sheila had gone crazy and had a gun.   

Where was she with the gun at the time of the alleged call?  That is what all rational people want to know as well as why Nevill would be on the phone with Jeremy instead of trying to disarm her himself either with his bare hands or grabbing a kife, gun or other weapon available in the kitchen to use to disarm her.  Even more curious rational peopel want to know why she woudl not shoot him upon discovering him on the phone but instead to disconnect the call and march him upstairs to kill him with June instead of killing him and then going upstairs after her.


That you even have to ask the question "Irritation at what" tells me that you have scant knowledge of feelings. Sheila MAY have been irritated that the call was from nobody more important than her Mother's sister. Maybe she felt as if she was being treated like a child in being told to "Come and say hello to Auntie Pam."

She COULD simply have left the room with the gun. Nevill MAY have needed the loo. IF a call was made, I think we can all take it as a given that, unlike your earlier suggestion of poor Nevill attempting to make a call with a shattered jaw and a broken arm, at this point, NO shots had been fired.

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Re: Chelmsford police station control room clocks
« Reply #98 on: August 23, 2014, 08:30:PM »
It's a pity this thread went off-topic, the OP was interesting.

yes as were some of the replies - I agree get back to thread.

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Re: Chelmsford police station control room clocks
« Reply #99 on: August 23, 2014, 08:50:PM »
you are a sanctimonius and very rude person - I could say worse but I would be dragging myself down to your level. How come Ferguson is allowed to mess up and correct himself ? How come the police are allowed to mess up and correct themselves , how come the family are allowed to get confused mess up and correct themselves , how come Julie is allowed to "misunderstand" a man threatening to kill all his family - I see a distinct pattern here - you excusing professionals and family who had a mans freedom in their hands but still continued to mess up and change statements  etc etc . And you can sit there and excuse them because it suits your arguments . Don't answer my post because I cant be bothered to read your posts until you fall off your high horse >:(

When someone makes a mistake it is apparent.  Ferguson had time to prepare his statement in September and that is when he was the most accurate.  He clearly made a mistake in saying the medication was fortnightly since he changed it to every month.  We know that is correct because she was in fact given it each month by her doctor not every 2 weeks.

What she was prescribed is not all that significant what matters is what she was actually taking.  She was prescribed medicaiton she wasn't taking and that actually played a role in how the Haldol was affecting her.  The medication meant to counter the sedative effect as well as various side effects was not being taken.  We know because it wasn't in her system.  So that confirms the suspicions her doctor had that she was not taking it.

You seem to be taking issue that this is chalked up to mistakes as opposed to some intentional lie on the part of Ferguson.  Why would he lie?  What would be the endgame?

In contrast Jeremy did have something to gain from the lies he told.  Jeremy had a reason to say he used the gun the week before the murders after denying it the day before.  It is not a coincidence that he changed his tune after Police said Anthony was the last known user and said the gun had the moderator and scope attached when he found it and put it away. How would he forget using it multiple times the week before the murder and yet suddenly remember it after being told about the last known user? 

He kept changing whether he called Julie befor eor afte rpolice.  Clearly it was before police which is what he ended up admitting later though he kept trying to pretend he did it after.  By the time he got off the phone with police it was well after even the most late account of when the call could have been made to her which is 3:30AM. Yet he was on the phone with police till 3:35-3:36.  Why would he lie about phoning her after?  Because it looks extremely suspicious to call her before police.

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Re: Chelmsford police station control room clocks
« Reply #100 on: August 23, 2014, 08:59:PM »
Dr, Ferguson writes about the reduction of the dose from 200 mgs every two weeks to the same dose once per month. It cannot be any clearer!

"The drug presctibed to Sheila Caffell was Haloperidol Decanoate, HCF administered fortnightly in a 200 mg injection by her General Practitoner.
I was last aware of her prescription in July 1985 and I believe that Sheila was anxious to reduce the prescription, in other words to have the same injection, but on a monthly basis."

He made a mistake.  He said the dosage was per month not every two weeks in his September statement and that the reduction request was a lesser amount per month.

The doctors made clear she was given 200MG each month until 100MG in her July installment.

Angeloglou stated it was per month:

   

In her other statement she detailed that the first Haldol injection she gave was May 2, 1985, th enext was June 11, 1985 and the last was July 11, 1985.  The first 2 were 200MG the last 100MG.  So we know what she was given and when.

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Re: Chelmsford police station control room clocks
« Reply #101 on: August 23, 2014, 09:04:PM »
Halopethidol ?

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Re: Chelmsford police station control room clocks
« Reply #102 on: August 23, 2014, 09:05:PM »
He made a mistake.  He said the dosage was per month not every two weeks in his September statement and that the reduction request was a lesser amount per month.

The doctors made clear she was given 200MG each month until 100MG in her July installment.

Angeloglou stated it was per month:

   

In her other statement she detailed that the first Haldol injection she gave was May 2, 1985, th enext was June 11, 1985 and the last was July 11, 1985.  The first 2 were 200MG the last 100MG.  So we know what she was given and when.

You are always stubborn for nothing and it frequently results in you being wrong for no reason.



So she had actually only received one dose of the reduced prescription?

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Re: Chelmsford police station control room clocks
« Reply #103 on: August 23, 2014, 09:06:PM »
Dr. Ferguson was washing his hands. He seemed to be an irresponsible doctor- he knew that Sheila used cocane frequently, he knew about her outlandish thoughts about her sons being the Devil´s children and that she was afraid they might rape and kill her.

How about this, Dr. Ferguson: Sheila I would say was a loving mother. She had delusions that her sons were trying to seduce her.

Makes a lot of sense - NOT!



Sorry - maybe we should split the thread?  :-[
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Re: Chelmsford police station control room clocks
« Reply #104 on: August 23, 2014, 09:11:PM »
 For a professional who can't even get the name of the drug correctly,I think it's abysmal,besides being dangerous. I wonder how his other patients faired ?