Was Sheila carried to the main bedroom ?

[Adam]

I don't know for sure. I think Jeremy's plan was to kill both parents in the bedroom,making sure there was no telephone to hand. I'm sorry to say but I do believe Julie's statement that he got carried away with himself(using the proxy Matthew McDonald),which was why his father ended up with such a beating,repayment for eight long years incarcerated in Gresham's public school. Or maybe Jeremy planned the telephone call pretext to give himself an alibi and was prepared to march Nevill downstairs with gun in hand. Sheila anyway had to be moved out of her bedroom or forensics would have been able to tell she had played no part in the massacre.

I wouldn't risk trying to march Neville downstairs.

He was a big man and would know the gun was not powerful. June would now be dead so only a few bullets would be left. Neville was the head of the family and would have risked his life to save Sheila & the twins.

Neville either fled or followed Jeremy when he went to re load.

[lookout]

Neville was a worried man,a sick man. He'd been receiving threats from OUTSIDE his family,and he'd felt drained. He would have been the type to have kept it from his family which left the strength he once had,sapped. So this THEORY of him having been a big,fit and strong man------------was rubbish.

[Mr. Gee]

Because there would be blood on the bed. She was supposed to be out of bed going 'crazy with the gun'.

Not good enough.

(1) He could still have staged it in her room instead of her parents room. (2) he could easily get rid of the blood on the bed in the same way he got rid of his own bloodstained clothes.

[Alias]

(1) He could still have staged it in her room instead of her parents room. (2) he could easily get rid of the blood on the bed in the same way he got rid of his own bloodstained clothes.

You mean bring them to St. Tropez to launder them? 

[Adam]

Neville was a worried man,a sick man. He'd been receiving threats from OUTSIDE his family,and he'd felt drained. He would have been the type to have kept it from his family which left the strength he once had,sapped. So this THEORY of him having been a big,fit and strong man------------was rubbish.

Well he put up a tremendous fight for life. Said the judge.

I do not know why Jeremy would shoot Neville 4 times upstairs and then lead him downstairs. He was going for the upstairs main bedroom double kill.

[Jane]

Neville was a worried man,a sick man. He'd been receiving threats from OUTSIDE his family,and he'd felt drained. He would have been the type to have kept it from his family which left the strength he once had,sapped. So this THEORY of him having been a big,fit and strong man------------was rubbish.

Lookout, how do we know this? I don't recall that any of the family -who seeed to know just about everything else about the Bambers- mentioned this. Could all this have come from the imagination of BW, who comes across as being rather OVER concerned about Neville given that she was just an employee. I get the impression that she may have been one of those people who liked to over dramatize.

[Steve_uk]

Well he put up a tremendous fight for life. Said the judge.

I do not know why Jeremy would shoot Neville 4 times upstairs and then lead him downstairs. He was going for the upstairs main bedroom double kill.

We don't know for sure Adam. Sheila might not have been as pliable had she seen a dead Nevill in front of her,and there was also the matter of the telephone call,a record of which was supposed to have been left by using the blue telephone in the office,but which somehow got overlooked as the drama unfolded,and of course were there to be no alleged telephone call there was no ready-made alibi for Jeremy.

[Mr. Gee]

Well he put up a tremendous fight for life. Said the judge.

I do not know why Jeremy would shoot Neville 4 times upstairs and then lead him downstairs. He was going for the upstairs main bedroom double kill.

If Nevill was asleep as you argue, then there would not have been any fight. He would have been dead from a head wound whilst asleep in bed. It's your argument that Nevill was asleep man. not mine.

[lookout]

Lookout, how do we know this? I don't recall that any of the family -who seeed to know just about everything else about the Bambers- mentioned this. Could all this have come from the imagination of BW, who comes across as being rather OVER concerned about Neville given that she was just an employee. I get the impression that she may have been one of those people who liked to over dramatize.

The family/relatives never knew about things that mattered. This was the result of living a private life.
BW,what she didn't know,she made up,and liked to think she was right.

[Adam]

If Nevill was asleep as you argue, then there would not have been any fight. He would have been dead from a head wound whilst asleep in bed. It's your argument that Nevill was asleep man. not mine.

He was in bed, asleep as Jeremy entered WHF through the loose bathroom window. Then crept upstairs. People usually are asleep at 2am.

But woke and moved seconds before,  and avoided a head on pillow shot which June received.

If Sheila had been awake for hours, she could have shot Neville anywhere inside WHF. He was shot right next to June and his bed. Coincidence ?

[Mr. Gee]

He was in bed, asleep as Jeremy entered WHF through the loose bathroom window. Then crept upstairs. People usually are asleep at 2am.

But woke and moved seconds before,  and avoided a head on pillow shot which June received.

If Sheila had been awake for hours, she could have shot Neville anywhere inside WHF. He was shot right next to June and his bed. Coincidence ?

Pure speculation on your part. I am quoting facts and fact show that Nevill was awake and not asleep as you propose. There is absolutely no evidence that anybody except the twins were aleep that night, thus indicating that the assailant was Sheila and not Jeremy.
I was listening on the radio about burglars. The two things that burglars hate are (1) lights and (2) dogs. Both were present that night. The dogs were silent thus indicating that the assailant was already inside the building and logic tells us that, that assailant was Sheila. You on the other hand can offer nothing but "pure speculation".

[lookout]

Pure speculation on your part. I am quoting facts and fact show that Nevill was awake and not asleep as you propose. There is absolutely no evidence that anybody except the twins were aleep that night, thus indicating that the assailant was Sheila and not Jeremy.
I was listening on the radio about burglars. The two things that burglars hate are (1) lights and (2) dogs. Both were present that night. The dogs were silent thus indicating that the assailant was already inside the building and logic tells us that, that assailant was Sheila. You on the other hand can offer nothing but "pure speculation".

Burglars are ruthless and would surely cut telephone lines from the outside and also make sure that a dog/s wouldn't bark. So NO burglary took place. Preposterous !

[Adam]

Pure speculation on your part. I am quoting facts and fact show that Nevill was awake and not asleep as you propose. There is absolutely no evidence that anybody except the twins were aleep that night, thus indicating that the assailant was Sheila and not Jeremy.
I was listening on the radio about burglars. The two things that burglars hate are (1) lights and (2) dogs. Both were present that night. The dogs were silent thus indicating that the assailant was already inside the building and logic tells us that, that assailant was Sheila. You on the other hand can offer nothing but "pure speculation".

The evidence shows June was shot in the head with her head on the pillow. Are you saying she was awake  but just laid there waiting to be shot ?

The twins were shot while asleep.

People are allowed to speculate on a discussion forum.

You believe Sheila was running around WHF in her nightie with a rifle for a long time. Neville in a flap and scared, not able to control the situation.  So rang Mr Jeremy Bamber at 3am.  June awake but laying in bed.

I believe everyone was asleep when Jeremy rode up to WHF on June's bike, which he had taken back to his cottage just two days beforehand. 

[lookout]

The evidence shows June was shot in the head with her head on the pillow. Are you saying she was awake  but just laid there waiting to be shot ?

The twins were shot while asleep.

People are allowed to speculate on a discussion forum.

You believe Sheila was running around WHF in her nightie with a rifle for a long time. Neville in a flap and scared, not able to control the situation.  So rang Mr Jeremy Bamber at 3am.  June awake but laying in bed.

I believe everyone was asleep when Jeremy rode up to WHF on June's bike, which he had taken back to his cottage just two days before.

People are allowed to speculate on a discussion forum.

 So leave us all to do that instead of force-feeding us your thoughts and ideas and trying to drag us onto your guilty stance.

[susan]

Morning lookout

not sure who invented the story of a burglary at WHF on the night of the horrendous murders but it is the silliest theory I have heard yet.