Was Sheila carried to the main bedroom ?

[Adam]

It just goes to show. It was rubbish then and it is rubbish now.

I have reported this to the moderator.

I invited Lookout on Sunday to create threads on the case. She never has. Just complaining about threads and telling me to 'find it yourself' when asking for a source of a claim I have never heard is not enhancing the forum.  This time she complained about the important thread issue of who was in the best position to carry out the massacre. Saying something the jury would discuss was a 'stupid thread'.

Similar with you, you never create anything worthwhile but are very abusive to me and Scipio.   I stuck up for you on Sunday, disagreeing with Leo Mckinstry that you as a supporter are creepy. However I suggested you suffer from self denial. Something I experienced once in Tenerife. In you're case you refuse to accept Jeremy's guilt despite the mountain of forensic and circumstantial evidence.

But making excuses for Jeremy, refusing to follow the evidence, being abusive, fire fighting and just claiming posts are rubbish will not show his innocence. You need new evidence and ideas. Just claiming a post is rubbish and not elaborating is pathetic.

[Adam]

There is no reason why Sheila would wake during a Jeremy massacre. Thread already created. There was a silencer, probable shut bedroom doors, sleeping twins and two adults shot in bed. The only noise was a brief  kitchen fight in another part of WHF.

People say it did not look like Sheila slept in her bed. This could be because Jeremy staged it this way. Or it could be that Sheila slept on top of the bed. Quite possible in August.

Sheila was petite, under sedation according to the 2002 appeal,  perhaps asleep on top of her bed. So not hard for a fit Jeremy to put the rifle down, then pick Sheila up and carry her a few feet. This would take a few seconds.

Neville and June were now dead, the twins either asleep or dead. Jeremy had time to work out an effective way to  pick Sheila up.

By the time Sheila had started waking, bang bang.

Another poster said today it is offensive to suggest Sheila was carried a few feet. One thing is for sure, she was either lead to the main bedroom, or retreated to the far corner when seeing the figure of a gun man in the dark.

Carrying Sheila is more practical than waking her and walking her to the bedroom. It means Sheila remains asleep or half asleep for longer. So more time to aim the rifle.

Do other people think Sheila may have been carried to the main bedroom.

[Adam]

Thought there were some good points in my thread post.

Obviously in the minority. A grown man carrying a light, sleeping woman ten feet. Perish the thought 

[maggie]

Thought there were some good points in my thread post.

Obviously in the minority. A grown man carrying a light, sleeping woman ten feet. Perish the thought

She was a grown woman, how could she possibly have stayed asleep, she wasn't sedated, he would have had to sling her over his shoulder to carry her as she was ALMOST 5'8 and would have surely put up a fight..  I think Jeremy is about 6' so he is just 4" taller than Sheila was, not much between them in height eventhough he would have had more body weight and muscle strength it wouldnt have helped him much when carrying her because it would have been really awkward made worse because she would surely have fought against him.

Your theories always need a deeply sleeping, sedated or totally aquiescent Sheila for them to work but she was not a doll or a prop of any sort and as an adult woman with normal human reactions she would have fought against her brother and am sure he would have had marks or scratches from her attempts to overcome him.  You invent theories then shove people into them,  that will never win an argument.

[Jane]

Thought there were some good points in my thread post.

Obviously in the minority. A grown man carrying a light, sleeping woman ten feet. Perish the thought

SCENARIO. Sleeping woman in single bed 2' high. To lift her fro the bed would require the covers to first be removed from her. Assuming the change of air temperature doesn't wake her it requires someone, from a standing position, to to either get their arms far enough underneath her to lift her in one movement to prevent her from rolling back onto the bed, which also requires the expertise NOT to get their fingers caught in a mix of her nightwear and sheet OR they have to haul her up by her arms into a fireman's lift, ALL without waking her. I don't think so!!! This suggestion is the same as 99% of all your other suggestions, ********!!!

[Mr. Gee]

I have reported this to the moderator.

I invited Lookout on Sunday to create threads on the case. She never has. Just complaining about threads and telling me to 'find it yourself' when asking for a source of a claim I have never heard is not enhancing the forum.  This time she complained about the important thread issue of who was in the best position to carry out the massacre. Saying something the jury would discuss was a 'stupid thread'.

Similar with you, you never create anything worthwhile but are very abusive to me and Scipio.   I stuck up for you on Sunday, disagreeing with Leo Mckinstry that you as a supporter are creepy. However I suggested you suffer from self denial. Something I experienced once in Tenerife. In you're case you refuse to accept Jeremy's guilt despite the mountain of forensic and circumstantial evidence.

But making excuses for Jeremy, refusing to follow the evidence, being abusive, fire fighting and just claiming posts are rubbish will not show his innocence. You need new evidence and ideas. Just claiming a post is rubbish and not elaborating is pathetic.

Wasting their time yet again? Members are allowed to criticize another member's posts or threads, My post was not insulting to you, so you had no right in reporting my post. If I was moderator you would be banned for a good 4 months.

[Adam]

SCENARIO. Sleeping woman in single bed 2' high. To lift her fro the bed would require the covers to first be removed from her. Assuming the change of air temperature doesn't wake her it requires someone, from a standing position, to to either get their arms far enough underneath her to lift her in one movement to prevent her from rolling back onto the bed, which also requires the expertise NOT to get their fingers caught in a mix of her nightwear and sheet OR they have to haul her up by her arms into a fireman's lift, ALL without waking her. I don't think so!!! This suggestion is the same as 99% of all your other suggestions, ********!!!

I have reported this to the moderators again.

You may be old enough to remember the case in 1985, but that does mean you know any more than me.  In fact, judging by you're posts you know a lot less as you never post anything interesting.

When was you're last suggestion. Or thread. Or interesting post ?

That's right. You don't create any.

I have created a lot of threads. They really upset you. Why ? Because they highlight Jeremy's certain guilt. And you realise you were wrong in believing him innocent for 29 years. Although you changed you're mind this year after other people did. Probably after reading my posts and threads.

I notice you haven't stuck up for Alias's suggestions about a random burglar or random psychopath being a good idea for Jeremy. Or do you think that is a good suggestion ?

And Jeremy can spend 5 seconds  picking up a seven stone woman and carry her ten feet. Unless he left his arms at home. Derrr.

[Alias]

I have reported this to the moderators again.

You may be old enough to remember the case in 1985, but that does mean you know any more than me.  In fact, judging by you're posts you know a lot less as you never post anything interesting.

When was you're last suggestion. Or thread. Or interesting post ?

That's right. You don't create any.

I have created a lot of threads. They really upset you. Why ? Because they highlight Jeremy's certain guilt. And you realise you were wrong in believing him innocent for 29 years. Although you changed you're mind after other people did. Probably after reading my posts and threads.

I notice you haven't stuck up for Alias's suggestions about a random burglar or random psychopath being a good idea for Jeremy. Or do you think that is a good suggestion ?

And Jeremy can pick up a seven stone woman and carry her ten feet. Derrr.

Why should she? We are not even on the same side. Besides I have suggested nothing about a random burglar or a random psychopath - those are your interpretaions of me saying I think the best option for Jeremy would have been just to walk away, leaving the door unlocked.

BTW, I see your post is full of goading again - a whole little gem in the goading department.

[Adam]

Why should she? We are not even on the same side. Besides I have suggested nothing about a random burglar or a random psychopath - those are your interpretaions of me saying I think the best option for Jeremy would have been just to walk away, leaving the door unlocked.

BTW, I see your post is full of goading again - a whole little gem in the goading department.

If it's not a burglar or psychopath murdering everyone and leaving the door open, who is it ?

[Alias]

If it's not a burglar or psychopath murdering everyone and leaving the door open, who is it ?

Well, it isn´t up to me to make any conclusions. Only that the case would have been left open to other possible perpetrators than Sheila or Jeremy without the staging of a two shot murder as a suicide, no made up phone call and the door open.
That´s all. I am not going to discuss what police and others might have concluded from that.

[Jane]

I have reported this to the moderators again.

You may be old enough to remember the case in 1985, but that does mean you know any more than me.  In fact, judging by you're posts you know a lot less as you never post anything interesting.

When was you're last suggestion. Or thread. Or interesting post ?

That's right. You don't create any.

I have created a lot of threads. They really upset you. Why ? Because they highlight Jeremy's certain guilt. And you realise you were wrong in believing him innocent for 29 years. Although you changed you're mind after other people did. Probably after reading my posts and threads.

I notice you haven't stuck up for Alias's suggestions about a random burglar or random psychopath being a good idea for Jeremy. Or do you think that is a good suggestion ?

And Jeremy can pick up a seven stone woman and carry her ten feet. Derrr.

 But then, unlike you, I haven't received THREE bans, one of which was requested by members.

I don't read your threads. They appear to be variations on a theme and the only posts of yours I usually read are those quoted, which given how many you post, are surprisingly few. You should be grateful to get ANY replies.

Your only knowledge of the case appears to be soundbites gleaned from a mix of Wilkes and transcripts and cobbled together to fit your silly scenarios.

By the way, you didn't respond to how Jeremy could uncover Sheila and from a standing position, get his hands far enough under her, managing not to get them caught in bed and night clothes and lift her without waking her.

[lookout]

I have reported this to the moderator.

I invited Lookout on Sunday to create threads on the case. She never has. Just complaining about threads and telling me to 'find it yourself' when asking for a source of a claim I have never heard is not enhancing the forum.  This time she complained about the important thread issue of who was in the best position to carry out the massacre. Saying something the jury would discuss was a 'stupid thread'.

Similar with you, you never create anything worthwhile but are very abusive to me and Scipio.   I stuck up for you on Sunday, disagreeing with Leo Mckinstry that you as a supporter are creepy. However I suggested you suffer from self denial. Something I experienced once in Tenerife. In you're case you refuse to accept Jeremy's guilt despite the mountain of forensic and circumstantial evidence.

But making excuses for Jeremy, refusing to follow the evidence, being abusive, fire fighting and just claiming posts are rubbish will not show his innocence. You need new evidence and ideas. Just claiming a post is rubbish and not elaborating is pathetic.

Why do you want this forum to yourself ? Report,report,report. You're fking pathetic if you're a man !!

[Jan]

my friends - its so much more relaxing if you have him on ignore. Trust me 

He is not interested in discussion at all.


Come and join me - have a rest until at least after Christmas.

[Adam]

 But then, unlike you, I haven't received THREE bans, one of which was requested by members.

I don't read your threads. They appear to be variations on a theme and the only posts of yours I usually read are those quoted, which given how many you post, are surprisingly few. You should be grateful to get ANY replies.

Your only knowledge of the case appears to be soundbites gleaned from a mix of Wilkes and transcripts and cobbled together to fit your silly scenarios.

By the way, you didn't respond to how Jeremy could uncover Sheila and from a standing position, get his hands far enough under her, managing not to get them caught in bed and night clothes and lift her without waking her.

Uncover Sheila from a standing position ? I do not understand.

He just had to pull back the bed sheets (If she was not already on top of the bed).  Then put one hand under her knees. The other hand under her back. And lift. 

Me as a man, I do not see a problem.

[Mr. Gee]

I have reported this to the moderators again.

You may be old enough to remember the case in 1985, but that does mean you know any more than me.  In fact, judging by you're posts you know a lot less as you never post anything interesting.

When was you're last suggestion. Or thread. Or interesting post ?

That's right. You don't create any.

I have created a lot of threads. They really upset you. Why ? Because they highlight Jeremy's certain guilt. And you realise you were wrong in believing him innocent for 29 years. Although you changed you're mind this year after other people did. Probably after reading my posts and threads.

I notice you haven't stuck up for Alias's suggestions about a random burglar or random psychopath being a good idea for Jeremy. Or do you think that is a good suggestion ?

And Jeremy can spend 5 seconds  picking up a seven stone woman and carry her ten feet. Unless he left his arms at home. Derrr.

Probably because what you say is often a load of old cobblers?