The Jury and the Mugfords

[scipio_usmc]

At this point I don't think it's important whether we believe Jeremy to be guilty or innocent. The truth, however IS important. I don't know if it's the truth YOU want but if you look at Page 12 of Julie's statement -in the archives- you will see that she says she had been smoking marijuana. I'm n ot certain  of the exact words but she intimates that she may not have been thinking clearly. I haven't seen a statement in which she admits to being "high" but that was your expression.

She didn't say anything about not remembering the conversation because she had smoked pot. She said she believed that prior to Jeremy's 10PM call she smoked pot and was flippant with him as a result.  She recalled how long the call was and all sorts of details about it. Jackie's characterization are completely wrong as always.  She either has not read a single thing she references and has no idea what she is talking about or is intentionally twisting.
 
"Julie Mugford's allegations can possibly be rejected by also considering further comments she made during her testimony at Bamber's trial. She told that on the night of the massacre, Bamber had called her saying, "Tonight's the night."
 
There was allegedly a later telephone call from him, at around the time he called the police, in which he said, "Everything's going well."
 
This contradicts an earlier statement she made, in which she admitted that she could not remember anything about the telephone call as she had been smoking marijuana and drinking that evening."

That is what Jackie wrote.  The statement where Julie referenced smoking pot is the same statement where she said she remembered him saying tonight is the night.  She didn't say anything about not remembering the conversation because she smoked pot earlier that night.  She said she was flippant with him as a result.

Her statement and the testimony at trial matched, in both she stated he said "tonight is the night" etc.

Jackie needs to start reading statements to see what is in them before posting what is in them.

[JackiePreece]

I know exactly what she said and as usual she lied

Her statement makes no sense

[scipio_usmc]

I know exactly what she said and as usual she lied

Her statement makes no sense

If you know what she said then you are admitting to lying because your representations were not even remotely accurate. 

Her statement makes sense to someone who is not too biased to face it.

[JackiePreece]

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Post below the exact words that Mugford used when trying to prove Jeremy murdered his family

I am certainly not biased

Why would I be biased I am not related to Jeremy and I am not in a relationship with Jeremy

You carry on wasting people's time stating rubbish like that

[Jane]

Does it not strike anyone else as odd, that having been told by Julie not to say such things about his parents, and Julie apparently registering her distaste at his thoughts of murdering them, Jeremy ignores this and rings to tell her that something is wrong at the farm and later, that things are going well. At NO point does Julie ask him what the hell he's talking about. At no time does she tell him that whatever is going on she wants no part of. She just went back to bed

[lookout]

 Exactly,April. I tried to say that before but it didn't come out as good as yours.

[Jan]

Does it not strike anyone else as odd, that having been told by Julie not to say such things about his parents, and Julie apparently registering her distaste at his thoughts of murdering them, Jeremy ignores this and rings to tell her that something is wrong at the farm and later, that things are going well. At NO point does Julie ask him what the hell he's talking about. At no time does she tell him that whatever is going on she wants no part of. She just went back to bed

And lay there thinking that she knew he had done it. Knew he had murdered his family.

[lookout]

What I think and what I " put down on paper ",comes out differently,yet I mean the same ?
Must be that I get my worms mixed up sometimes.

[scipio_usmc]

Does it not strike anyone else as odd, that having been told by Julie not to say such things about his parents, and Julie apparently registering her distaste at his thoughts of murdering them, Jeremy ignores this and rings to tell her that something is wrong at the farm and later, that things are going well. At NO point does Julie ask him what the hell he's talking about. At no time does she tell him that whatever is going on she wants no part of. She just went back to bed

There are of course 2 possibilities:

1) that he wanted to vent regardless of whether Julie liked it or not so kept doing it each time until she said stop and then he stopped that occasion only to bring it up again

or

2) she just made up that she would tell him to stop because she didn't want to look bad to police for letting him go on about it.

As for telling her tonight is the night, he was bitching again about his job and that in addition he was excited so wanted to tell someone and she was his confidant. 

Some killers are blabbers.  They are excited and brag before and/or after and that often results in them getting caught. Some are quiet and never tell a soul and they are the ones that usually are only tripped up by physical evidence otherwise never get caught.  Jeremy was a talker not just to her but to police and he burned himself in the process. Had he never made up the call from Nevill and instead made people find the bodies the next day he would have been better off.  But that fake call was his alibi and his premier way of framing Sheila (though he did say and do other things as well to frame her).  WHich brings us to his call to Sheila after the murders.  To bolste rhis claim he received a call from nevill he woke Julie up.  He did so because she had roomates who heard the call and could confrim he called her and she would say he told her Nevill had called him to say there was trouble at the farm.  That is why he called her at 6AM as well, to tell her not to go to work because she would need to tell police about how he called her.  This was all to try to make the call from Nevill seem like it actually happened.

But for a few errors he would have gotten away with it despite things that made no sense, that is the scary part. 

[Alias]

Does it not strike anyone else as odd, that having been told by Julie not to say such things about his parents, and Julie apparently registering her distaste at his thoughts of murdering them, Jeremy ignores this and rings to tell her that something is wrong at the farm and later, that things are going well. At NO point does Julie ask him what the hell he's talking about. At no time does she tell him that whatever is going on she wants no part of. She just went back to bed

This obviously does not make sense, no matter which way you turn it.

The sentence: Everything is going well, something is wrong at the farm - does not make sense no matter how you look at it
We have been there before, but I feel like repeating. What does make sense is this:
Nevill had called Jeremy, and Jeremy, not used to making decisions on his own, afraid of angering his father, opted to call Julie for advise.
Je "Hello darling, it´s me, Jeremy."
Ju "Why are you calling now, it´s in the middle of the night?! Is something wrong?"
Je "Everything is going well (with me, but) there is something wrong at the farm."
Ju "Oh, Gosh, Jeremy, are you waking me up in the middle of the night to tell me THIS?! What´s wrong with you, GO BACK TO BED!"

THIS makes sense - not the weird, incoherent mess, which has been twisted and bent to fit with what guilters want it to mean. Another myth.

[lookout]

The reason Jeremy phoned Julie up was that he was scared of what could be going on, ( thinking of what he allegedly said about killing his family ) and instead of receiving any support,he was told to go back to bed.
Now if her memory had served her right,why didn't she immediately twig what he'd said ? Was it that she was too spaced-out to care,,or was it because he'd never said what he was alleged to have said ?

[scipio_usmc]

This obviously does not make sense, no matter which way you turn it.

The sentence: Everything is going well, something is wrong at the farm - does not make sense no matter how you look at it
We have been there before, but I feel like repeating. What does make sense is this:
Nevill had called Jeremy, and Jeremy, not used to making decisions on his own, afraid of angering his father, opted to call Julie for advise.
Je "Hello darling, it´s me, Jeremy."
Ju "Why are you calling now, it´s in the middle of the night?! Is something wrong?"
Je "Everything is going well (with me, but) there is something wrong at the farm."
Ju "Oh, Gosh, Jeremy, are you waking me up in the middle of the night to tell me THIS?! What´s wrong with you, GO BACK TO BED!"

THIS makes sense - not the weird, incoherent mess, which has been twisted and bent to fit with what guilters want it to mean. Another myth.

she gave the gist of the conversation not everything said.  She admitted she could not remember everything.  The gist was that he didn't go to sleep yet, that the plan to kill them was going well and thus there was trouble at the farm.  Far from "guilters" twisting her words that is what she said he conveyed to her. She characterized it as such not guilters.



 

[Jane]

she gave the gist of the conversation not everything said.  She admitted she could not remember everything.  The gist was that he didn't go to sleep yet, that the plan to kill them was going well and thus there was trouble at the farm.  Far from "guilters" twisting her words that is what she said he conveyed to her. She characterized it as such not guilters.



 

Scipio, I'm not twisting her words. I'm just saying that it's very strange that at no point did she challenge his reasons for phoning her, not just once, but several times. He delivers what can only be taken as cryptic messages yet she reveals no natural curiosity as to what they mean.

[Alias]

Scipio, I'm not twisting her words. I'm just saying that it's very strange that at no point did she challenge his reasons for phoning her, not just once, but several times. He delivers what can only be taken as cryptic messages yet she reveals no natural curiosity as to what they mean.

Jeremy didn´t know what "was wrong" at the farm. Julie clearly didn´t think it was serious.

[lookout]

So she was either smashed,or didn't remember what Jeremy allegedly said ? My guess is that he hadn't said any such thing.
It's quite possible that she asked how the harvesting/work was going,to which he'd have answered it was going well. It depends in which context fits the bill at any given time.