Grannie Speakman :

[Jane]

Good. So this forum has established another important fact -

Jeremy was 'NOT' going to inherit from MS if June had lived. Meaning it cannot be used as a supporting reason to claim his innocence.

Good work everyone.

ADAM!!!! You give me WAY more power than I possess. PLEASE don't link MY name to establishing ANYTHING.

[Jane]

Actually Caroline is correct - we only have the familys word for  what was in the will - there could have been a main provision for June and Pamela - for all we know the grandchildren also could have been named for smaller amounts ?  Without seeing the will before it was changed we can not be 100% sure .

But I agree without proof it should not be banded around as a "fact"

So all we know for sure was that his mother was about to become quite wealthy .

Which comes back to what I said in Post 39. I would imagine the odds to be millions to one against us ever knowingg what was in the original will.

[Adam]

MS's will just highlights why Jeremy would commit the massacre.

Jeremy was a very slippery character, so I wouldn't put it past him to have found out what was in MS's will. He knew about Neville's will & that June was planning to amend her will. If he did know he was not included, it would just increase his desire to commit the massacre.

If he had not seen the will, he would assume the worst. If MS had a good relationship with June & her sister, there is no reason why they should be bypassed for Jeremy. Increasing his desire to commit the massacre. It is doubtful he was very close to MS, see previous post.

If MS was in good shape, she may have lived several more years. Increasing his desire to commit the massacre.

With everyone removed, Jeremy would inherit all of MS's estate in the future. June & Neville not having the chance to spend it. Increasing his desire to commit the massacre.

[Jane]

MS's will just highlights why Jeremy would commit the massacre.

Jeremy was a very slippery character, so I wouldn't put it past him to have found out what was in MS's will. He knew about Neville's will & that June was planning to amend her will. If he did know he was not included, it would just increase his desire to commit the massacre.

If he had not seen the will, he would assume the worst. If MS had a good relationship with June & her sister, there is no reason why they should be bypassed for Jeremy. Increasing his desire to commit the massacre.

If MS was in good shape, she may have lived several more years. Increasing his desire to commit the massacre.

With everyone removed, Jeremy would inherit all of MS's estate in the future. June & Neville not having the chance to spend it. Increasing his desire to commit the massacre.

Adam, the above is more about your imaginings than fact. HOW, given that you've "established" that he rarely saw Granny, do you imagine he found out what was in her will?

You jump to conclusions when you suggest that if Granny bypassed June and Pam she had a poor relationship with them. Both women were reasonably well cushioned enough not to be in  immediate need so a memento of sentimental value -an objet d' art OR a favourite piece of jewellery- would probably have meant more to them than MORE money.

[Adam]

Adam, the above is more about your imaginings than fact. HOW, given that you've "established" that he rarely saw Granny, do you imagine he found out what was in her will?

You jump to conclusions when you suggest that if Granny bypassed June and Pam she had a poor relationship with them. Both women were reasonably well cushioned enough not to be in  immediate need so a memento of sentimental value -an objet d' art OR a favourite piece of jewellery- would probably have meant more to them than MORE money.

Good point. He may well not have known what was in the will. Unless Neville had a copy lying around. Or Jeremy made a rare visit to see nana & managed to see it.

I am sure we all agree Jeremy was very determined. Where there's a will, there's a way.

[lookout]

 No,we DON'T all agree. At least I don't. Stop being patronizing.

[Jane]

Good point. He may well not have known what was in the will. Unless Neville had a copy lying around. Or Jeremy made a rare visit to see nana & managed to see it.

I am sure we all agree Jeremy was very determined. Where there's a will, there's a way.

Adam, NOTHING, other than death and taxes, ONE of which can be avoided, is 100% certain sure, but there are a hell of a lot of variables needed to fall into place to bring to fruition what you're suggesting as being possible.

[Caroline]

Good point. He may well not have known what was in the will. Unless Neville had a copy lying around. Or Jeremy made a rare visit to see nana & managed to see it.

I am sure we all agree Jeremy was very determined. Where there's a will, there's a way.

He wouldn't need to see the will to realise his mother would inherit.

[Adam]

Adam, NOTHING, other than death and taxes, ONE of which can be avoided, is 100% certain sure, but there are a hell of a lot of variables needed to fall into place to bring to fruition what you're suggesting as being possible.

What am I suggesting ? That he had seen the wills ?

The thread was asking for proof that Jeremy was inheriting a lot from MS. As claimed by his supporters. None has been given.

[Jan]

Good point. He may well not have known what was in the will. Unless Neville had a copy lying around. Or Jeremy made a rare visit to see nana & managed to see it.

I am sure we all agree Jeremy was very determined. Where there's a will, there's a way.

No I don't agree with you either Adam. But good try.

[Adam]

He wouldn't need to see the will to realise his mother would inherit.

Agreed in post 122.

[Jane]

No I don't agree with you either Adam. But good try.

Indeed Jansus and I believe it has been established that for the most part this forum feels that it can 't rely on what Adam says as being unadulterated fact.

[Adam]

Fact: There is no evidence Jeremy was going to be a rich man on MS's death.

Fact: Some of Jeremy's supporters have claimed this.

Fact: Jeremy either knew or did not know what was in the will.

Fact: MS may could have lived for several more years.

Fact: Jeremy was in boarding school and abroad for long periods. He has never said he was very close to MS.

Fact: RB says the original will was going to June and MS's sister.

[lookout]

Adam,no matter what you say or do will not make the slightest difference to my way of thinking.
Until such times as Jeremy himself should make a confession ( Hell will freeze over first ) then anything you say towards his guilt will just pass over my head. So don't think for one minute that you'll ever win me over to your way of thinking because I stand firm in my own beliefs and wild horses won't even change that.
Don't give yourself a pat on the back on my behalf.


Just one thing---------MS was 90 odd then.How many more years do you honestly think she'd have lived given that she was already ailing ??

[Jane]

Fact: There is no evidence Jeremy was going to be a rich man on MS's death.

Fact: Some of Jeremy's supporters have claimed this.

Fact: Jeremy either knew or did not know what was in the will.

Fact: MS may could have lived for several more years.

Fact: Jeremy was in boarding school and abroad for long periods. He has never said he was very close to MS.

Fact: RB says the original will was going to June and MS's sister.

Adam, I rather think your idea of what constitutes unadulterated fact is at variance, certainly with my own and possibly with many of the members.

PS I just LOVE that you see as FACT that "JEREMY EITHER KNEW OR DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS IN THE WILL" Duhhhhhhhhhh!!! The only fact I can see is that you've ensured you'll be right either way