Jeremy's Witness Statement:

[Jane]

" Everything is going well ",could quite possibly have referred to the harvesting if Julie had asked how things were. It was that time of the year when Jeremy realised that he'd have to pull out all the stops if he was going to get on with his father and the farm in general. I think Neville had had words prior to Jeremy working on the farm after his " jaunts " abroad. Both June and Neville had said that Jeremy was lazy.
It HAS to do with how it's interpreted and what you read into it !

Don't you find curious the juxtaposition of the two sentences given the time of the call?

[lookout]

Don't you find curious the juxtaposition of the two sentences given the time of the call?

No,not really. It was just unfortunate timing and bad luck on Jeremys' part that what happened,did.

[Adam]

Going back only 4 and a half years since I received one of "those" calls, I can only give approximations, time wise. The call came 5/10 minutes past 1am. I got up, threw clothes on, called my partner's brother, called his daughter in law -I had to look in my address book for both numbers-  found my car keys, grabbed my bag and pulled on a coat. It was 1.25 ish when I left.

But Jeremy in his WS said he phoned the police straight away.

It has already been posted on here that it is very suspicious that he did not phone 999, or the Folkes's. Jeremy said 'it did not occur to him'.  For some reason he looked up the phone number for a police station miles away. But that would not take 16 minutes to do.

[Caroline]

" Everything is going well ",could quite possibly have referred to the harvesting if Julie had asked how things were. It was that time of the year when Jeremy realised that he'd have to pull out all the stops if he was going to get on with his father and the farm in general. I think Neville had had words prior to Jeremy working on the farm after his " jaunts " abroad. Both June and Neville had said that Jeremy was lazy.
It HAS to do with how it's interpreted and what you read into it !

Why would Jeremy make a call to Julie after 3am having had a call from his father to say Sheila had the gun, to tell her that the harvest was going well 'before' calling the police?

[Adam]

Why would Jeremy make a call to Julie after 3am having had a call from his father to say Sheila had the gun, to tell her that the harvest was going well 'before' calling the police?

Perhaps he was too busy saying 'it's now or never' in his 10am call to Julie, and forgot to mention how the harvesting was going.

Julie would of course be worried about the harvesting and unable to sleep. Explaining the 3am call.

[Jane]

Perhaps he was too busy saying 'it's now or never' in his 10am call to Julie, and forgot to mention how the harvesting was going.

Julie would of course be worried about the harvesting and unable to sleep. Explaining the 3am call.

Perhaps the 10pm call was to sing "O solo mio" to his beloved. Julie being concerned about the harvest? You got it in one.

[susan]

Caroline Hi  Jeremy would not call Julie in the middle of the night to tell her the harvest was going well just nonsense IMO.

[susan]

Adam Caroline posted a very feasible explanation why he did not dial 999 and it made good sense to me.

[Caroline]

Caroline Hi  Jeremy would not call Julie in the middle of the night to tell her the harvest was going well just nonsense IMO.

 

[lookout]

Why would Jeremy make a call to Julie after 3am having had a call from his father to say Sheila had the gun, to tell her that the harvest was going well 'before' calling the police?

 Dependant on what his father had said besides what we all knew,he'd have phoned,oblivious of the time,because he was obviously worried this time and because they both knew what his father was like regarding authority,he probably wanted the reassurance from her because she was the more " sensible " one in the relationship,who he thought would best advise him.

[lookout]

 Ordinarily when Sheila had one of her psychotic attacks,both Neville and Jeremy would have calmed her,so imagine police cars with sirens going,blue lights flashing turning up outside WHF where Neville was concerned. I can understand that Jeremy didn't want to undermine his father,as just because Neville said that she had one of his guns,he didn't mention about shooting or having shot anyone.

[Caroline]

 Dependant on what his father had said besides what we all knew,he'd have phoned,oblivious of the time,because he was obviously worried this time and because they both knew what his father was like regarding authority,he probably wanted the reassurance from her because she was the more " sensible " one in the relationship,who he thought would best advise him.

He knew it was after midnight and that at such a time Julie wouldn't be interested in how the harvest was going. Also if he was 'worried' why didn't he dial 999? None of us know Jeremy (other than Jackie) so we can't make assumptions about who was more sensible BUT if he called for advice on what to do, why didn't he actually tell her what the problem was? In neither Jeremy's or Julie's statement does it actually mention him telling her about the call from his father or Sheila having a gun - odd to say the least. Possible reason? They hadn't discussed what was actually going to happen and he didn't need to make up the call from his father in an explanation to Julie because he had already thought of the hitman story for her. He ONLY called Julie for the benefit of the other flatmates to seal his alibi.

[scipio_usmc]

Ordinarily when Sheila had one of her psychotic attacks,both Neville and Jeremy would have calmed her,so imagine police cars with sirens going,blue lights flashing turning up outside WHF where Neville was concerned. I can understand that Jeremy didn't want to undermine his father,as just because Neville said that she had one of his guns,he didn't mention about shooting or having shot anyone.

When did Jeremy clam her down during a psychotic episode?  Nevill is the one who supposedly had a calming effect on her not Jeremy, she didn't even want Jeremy to drive her home from Colin's place.  You need to stop making things up.

[lookout]

He knew it was after midnight and that at such a time Julie wouldn't be interested in how the harvest was going. Also if he was 'worried' why didn't he dial 999? None of us know Jeremy (other than Jackie) so we can't make assumptions about who was more sensible BUT if he called for advice on what to do, why didn't he actually tell her what the problem was? In neither Jeremy's or Julie's statement does it actually mention him telling her about the call from his father or Sheila having a gun - odd to say the least. Possible reason? They hadn't discussed what was actually going to happen and he didn't need to make up the call from his father in an explanation to Julie because he had already thought of the hitman story for her. He ONLY called Julie for the benefit of the other flatmates to seal his alibi.

To be honest,Caroline,Julie didn't appear interested in his call at all. All flatmates had been drinking and she admitted to smoking cannabis as well,so wouldn't exactly have been " with it ".

[lookout]

When did Jeremy clam her down during a psychotic episode?  Nevill is the one who supposedly had a calming effect on her not Jeremy, she didn't even want Jeremy to drive her home from Colin's place.  You need to stop making things up.

Listen who's talking,making things up. Trouble is,you believe what you say/post !!

Sheila had asked Jeremy to drive her home because of Colin having been drunk.

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