Why would he?

[Caroline]

Caroline
Could you just remind me what the judge/prosecution said about the Guildord Four/Birmingham 6 ?

I'm sure you'll find it online somewhere Jackie. There are probably quotes from Judges presiding over the trails of the Yorkshire Ripper trial, Denis Neilson, The Crossbow Cannibal etc. Point being that not every case is a MOJ, so not sure what a quote by the judges from the Guildord Four/Birmingham 6 has to do with Jeremy Bamber's case?

[scipio_usmc]

If Jeremy was guilty why would he:

1) Blame the police for killing his family

I have note seen him assert police killed and of his family only wacko supporters of his claim they killed Sheila.  But if he ever did claim such his motication would be the same as the motivation of his wacko supporters who assert such- to pretend he didn't do it by blaming someone else. WHy do you ask such silly questions like this?

2) Say to the police he wasn't getting along with his sister

Eithe rbecause he didn't think before he spoke and thus actually spoke the truth or he realized others would reveal the truth to police and didn't want them to catch him in the lie of telling them he got along great with her.  Moreover, he figured it would make no difference since he had framed her and expected them to fall for it.

3) Not get an alibi

Because guilty peopel can't have a valid alibi so the best he coudl do in trying to have an alibi was to pretend Nevill phoned him and this was supposed to establish he was home at the time of the murders. 
So police would not think he dialed them from WHF he made sure police got to WHF before him. 

4) Finish with Julie Mugford a few weeks after he had told her he was responsible for the murders

Julie Mugford could not take it that he was responsible for th emurders and would not marry him and that is why she broke up with him, he didn't dump her.  At any rate at that point he considered himself bulletproof and did not think police would be able to prove he did it even if they believed her.

5) Say he was responsible for leaving the gun on the table

Another extremely stupid question.  He claimed he left the gun and bullets in the kitchen to frame Sheila.  No one would have believed that in the middle of a rage Sheila would go digging through the closet for a gun and bullets and if she had done so then she would have found a gun with the scope and moderator attached and while she was trying to load the gun she coudl have been stopped.  The goal was to make it so all she had to do was place a magazine loaded prior into the gun and chamber a round and that's it so there would be no time to stop her as she was trying to load it.  Moreover his way if his prints were found on the gun or bullet casings then this would provide an innocent reason for such. 

6) Go away on holiday leaving a silencer in the cupboard which was used in the murders

more to be added

The same reaosn he left it there right after the murders- because he had no idea about drawback let alone serology and had no idea they would be able to prove it was used to kill Sheila.  He had no idea whether police took it or not originally and if they hadn't he had no reaosn to think they would come back later.  But he didn't care anyway becaus ehe had no idea that they could prove it was attached when SHeila was shot and that such would be able to prove she didn't kill herself.   

[JackiePreece]

I'm sure you'll find it online somewhere Jackie. There are probably quotes from Judges presiding over the trails of the Yorkshire Ripper trial, Denis Neilson, The Crossbow Cannibal etc. Point being that not every case is a MOJ, so not sure what a quote by the judges from the Guildord Four/Birmingham 6 has to do with Jeremy Bamber's case?

The point is if you don't understand Judges make mistakes, huge mistakes, so the 'actor' quote is worthless

[nugnug]

I have note seen him assert police killed and of his family only wacko supporters of his claim they killed Sheila.  But if he ever did claim such his motication would be the same as the motivation of his wacko supporters who assert such- to pretend he didn't do it by blaming someone else. WHy do you ask such silly questions like this?

Eithe rbecause he didn't think before he spoke and thus actually spoke the truth or he realized others would reveal the truth to police and didn't want them to catch him in the lie of telling them he got along great with her.  Moreover, he figured it would make no difference since he had framed her and expected them to fall for it.

Because guilty peopel can't have a valid alibi so the best he coudl do in trying to have an alibi was to pretend Nevill phoned him and this was supposed to establish he was home at the time of the murders. 
So police would not think he dialed them from WHF he made sure police got to WHF before him. 

 

Julie Mugford could not take it that he was responsible for th emurders and would not marry him and that is why she broke up with him, he didn't dump her.  At any rate at that point he considered himself bulletproof and did not think police would be able to prove he did it even if they believed her.
 

Another extremely stupid question.  He claimed he left the gun and bullets in the kitchen to frame Sheila.  No one would have believed that in the middle of a rage Sheila would go digging through the closet for a gun and bullets and if she had done so then she would have found a gun with the scope and moderator attached and while she was trying to load the gun she coudl have been stopped.  The goal was to make it so all she had to do was place a magazine loaded prior into the gun and chamber a round and that's it so there would be no time to stop her as she was trying to load it.  Moreover his way if his prints were found on the gun or bullet casings then this would provide an innocent reason for such. 

The same reaosn he left it there right after the murders- because he had no idea about drawback let alone serology and had no idea they would be able to prove it was used to kill Sheila.  He had no idea whether police took it or not originally and if they hadn't he had no reaosn to think they would come back later.  But he didn't care anyway becaus ehe had no idea that they could prove it was attached when SHeila was shot and that such would be able to prove she didn't kill herself.

he could of easly got a false albi if he wanted he only had to ask his girlfriend.

[nugnug]

The point is if you don't understand Judges make mistakes, huge mistakes, so the 'actor' quote is worthless

well this judge all be it acedently did mislead the jury a fair few times.

[Caroline]

The point is if you don't understand Judges make mistakes, huge mistakes, so the 'actor' quote is worthless

Of course they do, but not always.

[Caroline]

well this judge all be it acedently did mislead the jury a fair few times.

To be honest, I think he was biased and made it pretty clear what his own thinking was but then again, I haven't read all of the transcripts.

[Caroline]

The point is if you don't understand Judges make mistakes, huge mistakes, so the 'actor' quote is worthless

Actually, I made a mistake (which I corrected earlier), it wasn't the judge who made the comment, it was Rivlin the quote being "Who are we dealing with in this case – a consummate actor or a consummate actress?"

[nugnug]

well suerly when he said he was implying was acting.

he be implying that his own client was it would be gross misconduct if he had been.

[scipio_usmc]

he could of easly got a false albi if he wanted he only had to ask his girlfriend.

So her roomates could say they are both lying and she was in fact home with them?

Being caught in a lie like that is worse than saying you were home alone sleeping!

[nugnug]

they could of easly aranged an albi way in advance she could of come down and spent the night there to give him an albi.

acording to her he told her he was planing a long time before the murder so they would of had plenty of time to set up an albi together.

[Jan]

yes ,much less stressful than going to the mortuary when "she knew he had done it"

[scipio_usmc]

they could of easly aranged an albi way in advance she could of come down and spent the night there to give him an albi.

Yeha that would not look suspicious her visiting at a time she would have been working the next day and he would have been working so not a time wehn she wa sknown to visit and yet the very day of the murders is when it happens.  That too is worse than claiming being alone sleeping.

 

[nugnug]

she could of come down stayed in the cottage while did the murders then said he was with her all night.

[Jan]

Yeha that would not look suspicious her visiting at a time she would have been working the next day and he would have been working so not a time wehn she wa sknown to visit and yet the very day of the murders is when it happens.  That too is worse than claiming being alone sleeping.

 

never heard of a "sickie" skippy?