Jeremy's Debts

[Alias]

was this a perfectly healthy dog.

As far as I know, it was an old dog.
Isn´t this Crispy?

[grahameb]

So what on earth has this dog got to do with Jeremy's guilt or innocence? There we go again judging a man on the basis of what he thought of a dog. In fact none of the familty appeared to want it, not just Jeremy. In any case Hartley said that Basil Cock handed the affairs over to the Eatons'. So why judge Jeremy on this dog when it was really the responsibilty of the Eatons' anyway? Well I suppose it reveals something about the relatives. They appeared to only be interested in the money affairs and had no interest at all in Crispy.

[lookout]

 You can overcome death in the family much quicker when you're younger than not. Jeremy hadn't known personal death and was sheltered in that respect,so wouldn't really have known how to tackle it.
Those sort of people with the upbringing that they had have very different emotions,which border on the unemotional. Such as June,for instance didn't show emotion when Sheila had been discharged from hospital for the last time. Sheila had told her friend Sonja that her mother didn't understand that she'd been ill and more or less told her to " get on with it ".
June was quite hard and unsympathetic in that respect,towards Sheila anyway,though Sheila was angry towards both parents because of their attitudes towards her.
So really,to be brought up in an atmosphere such as this,is it any wonder the kids were confused ?   

[grahameb]

As far as I know, it was an old dog.
Isn´t this Crispy?

I don't think it is? I thought it was a shi tzu?

[Caroline]

So what on earth has this dog got to do with Jeremy's guilt or innocence? There we go again judging a man on the basis of what he thought of a dog. In fact none of the familty appeared to want it, not just Jeremy. In any case Hartley said that Basil Cock handed the affairs over to the Eatons'. So why judge Jeremy on this dog when it was really the responsibilty of the Eatons' anyway? Well I suppose it reveals something about the relatives. They appeared to only be interested in the money affairs and had no interest at all in Crispy.

The dog wasn't part of the Eaton's family, it was part of Jeremy's and yet he so easily condemned it. It doesn't mean he's guilty, but to me it shows that he could be pretty cold and ruthless.

[Alias]

I don't think it is? I thought it was a shi tzu?

Isn´t this a Shi Tzu?

Anyway - Colin was under suspicion for a time because he....... drumroll....... didn´t seem to be grieving.
I don´t think you should read anything into such things, seriously!

[Adam]

Jeremy's reaction to the deaths went from one extreme to another.

At first weeping and telling the police 'you said everything would be alright'. Then walking off into the fields and trying (but failing) to be sick. Returning with some flowers.

A few minutes later after some alcohol he told the police to get rid/put down Crispy. He hated him and did not want him messing up his stereo equipment.

After driving back to his cottage he said he was starving and made some breakfast. The food helped him recover adequately and he said to the police 'right, lets get on with it, I'm ready to start when you are'.

[lookout]

That dog would have been attached to Sheila.That's why it wasn't harmed on the night of the murders.
I'm 100% sure that Jeremy would have shot it if he'd killed his family. It would have been biting his heels as dogs sense when someone doesn't like them.

[Caroline]

Isn´t this a Shi Tzu?

Anyway - Colin was under suspicion for a time because he....... drumroll....... didn´t seem to be grieving.
I don´t think you should read anything into such things, seriously!

We all look at things differently and in isolation, it doesn't mean a things but once you start thinking he's guilty, something that might have just seemed a little off, makes more sense in a guilty context.

[Alias]

Jeremy's reaction to the deaths went from one extreme to another.

At first weeping and telling the police 'you said everything would be alright'. Then walking off into the fields and trying (but failing) to be sick. Returning with some flowers.

A few minutes later after some alcohol he told the police to get rid/put down Crispy. He hated him and did not want him messing up his stereo equipment.

After driving back to his cottage he said he was starving and made some breakfast. The food helped him recover adequately and he said to the police 'right, lets get on with it, I'm ready to start when you are'.

Sounds like someone totally confused and in shock.

[Adam]

If Sheila was in a psychotic rage, wouldn't she have shot, or attempted to shoot Crispy ?

Sheila had gone crazy. Perhaps for several hours. A barking dog running around would just irritate her more.

But Crispy was not shot, and there is no evidence of any missed shots.

[lookout]

If Sheila was in a psychotic rage, wouldn't she have shot, or attempted to shoot Crispy ?

Sheila had gone crazy. Perhaps for several hours. A barking dog running around would just irritate her more.

But Crispy was not shot, and there is no evidence of any missed shots.

Sheila would NOT have shot the dog.

[maggie]

If Sheila was in a psychotic rage, wouldn't she have shot, or attempted to shoot Crispy ?

Sheila had gone crazy. Perhaps for several hours. A barking dog running around would just irritate her more.

But Crispy was not shot, and there is no evidence of any missed shots.

Good question Adam but by the same token why didn't Jeremy shoot Crispy, he obviously didn't like him, it would have been easier to just shoot him surely?

[Alias]

We all look at things differently and in isolation, it doesn't mean a things but once you start thinking he's guilty, something that might have just seemed a little off, makes more sense in a guilty context.

I know.

[Caroline]

Sounds like someone totally confused and in shock.

OK, you 'could' put it down to shock but lets take the phone call. His dad calls him early hours of the morning saying Sheila had the gun come quick. I can buy the fact that he might have been confused about what to do but once he'd decided the police should be called - why not 999? I have never been able to answer this with an adequate reason that doesn't sound as though I'm making excuses for him. What would you do? Thumb through the phone book looking for a local number or dial 999? I know what I would do.