Jeremy's Debts

[No-Bits]

Yea, don´t go there, Harters!

I'm too niave, so I daren't lol  :D

[nugnug]

It is no secret Jeremy wanted to be a rich playboy. He was a ruthless operator. Obsessed with money. Source already provided.

Working 14/17 hour days as a farm labourer meant he did not have the time, money or energy to be a playboy.

His gran's will was discussed a couple of days ago. No one has ever provided proof that he was going to inherit from her. It was not brought up at trial by the defence to refute the money motive claim. There is no mention of this on his OS.

if wasnt mentioned in the will how could he be writtan out of it.

[Adam]

There is no proof that Jeremy wanted to live a playboy lifestyle.

Colin Caffel seems to think that Jeremy´s motive was not only greed, but perhaps more strongly HATE and RESENTMENT at the controlling ways towards Sheila and Jeremy by the Bambers.
Colin states in his book that if Jeremy hadn´t killed June, he himself might have. He really does say that! 

Most interesting.

I said similar things on page 2 of this thread.

[Alias]

Most interesting.

I said similar things on page 2 of this thread.

What did you say, I didn´t read it? I am sure you will be MORE THAN HAPPY to provide a link! Adam, celebrate, someone actually just asked you for a link to one of YOUR posts, you must be thrilled! 

[No-Bits]

Does anybody else remember reading about JB taking out a loan to pay for carpets or curtains? 

There's obviously been something mentioned by somebody, hence the thread title.

[grahameb]

Here are some other motivations. Although money was the main one.

IN JAIL AT WHF:

Was it 14 or 17 hour days on the farm ? Either way long days. At court Jeremy said he had seen his fathers will which tied him to working on the farm until Neville died.


BOARDING SCHOOL:

Mary Mugford said Jeremy 'never forgave June for sending him to boarding school.


THINGS WERE SLIPPING AWAY:

Jeremy was 24. It was the 'loads of money' era. Jeremy wanted to be a rich playboy based in London. But told Julie he had 'too much to lose' by walking away. He had neither the talent or determination to make it alone.

Mary Mugford said in court Jeremy had told her June was going to amend her will in favour of the twins.


OPPORTUNITY:

As the previous thread showed. There was an opportunity and ready made scapegoat.


HATRED:

People testified how Jeremy hated his parents. Julie testified how Jeremy said Sheila upset him when younger.


RESENTMENT:

Sheila was living rent & work free in London. And would have inherited as much as Jeremy when Neville/June deceased. But how many hours had she worked on the farm ? And how many hours would she put in after inheriting ?


DOING EVERYONE A FAVOUR:

Neville was apparently 'ready to be put to pasture', June was a 'religious maniac', Sheila needed being 'put out of her misery' & the twins were bound to be effected by all this. Even Colin would benefit as he would have more time to look for work without the burden of two children.


PROVING JULIE WRONG, AND IMPRESSING HER: 

Julie obviously never believed Jeremy would do something so horrendous. Even on the night she dismissed him. On TV she said Jeremy used to 'say things to shock people'.


STATUS, POWER, FAME:

Jeremy would instantly obtain these. He offered a 'Sun' journalist his life story prior to being charged.


TO SHOW HE COULD ACHIEVE SOMETHING:

The perfect crime and frame. Jeremy was so proud. Ringing Julie on the night. Then telling her later but giving himself a proxy. He later boasted to Liz Rimmington 'only I know what really happened that night'.


ON THE DAY:

Spending 14, or was it 17 hours working on the farm. Watching Sheila & the twins strolling around on their free holiday. A rare opportunity with everyone at WHF. Julies dismissal. Maybe Jeremy had an argument at WHF that night. BW said there was always a strained atmosphere when Jeremy was present.


THE CARAVAN BREAK IN:

BW said June & Neville knew about this. Further damaging their relationship with Jeremy. Was it now beyond repair ? Jeremy and June had not spoken for years according to Mary Mugford.


ADOPTION:

Jeremy was not related by blood. He was adopted and then sent to boarding school. Before persuading his parents to finance some jaunts abroad. Now he was a farm labourer. Complaining about his adoptive parents interfering in his life. Parents he did not like.


THE BUSINESS:

AE says Jeremy and Neville had a blazing row just before the murders. Neville would always have the final say as Jeremy only had a small share. This would have frustrated the 'would be' business executive Jeremy.

First testimony here:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5620.0.html

[grahameb]

It is no secret Jeremy wanted to be a rich playboy. He was a ruthless operator. Obsessed with money. Source already provided.

Working 14/17 hour days as a farm labourer meant he did not have the time, money or energy to be a playboy.

His gran's will was discussed a couple of days ago. No one has ever provided proof that he was going to inherit from her. It was not brought up at trial by the defence to refute the money motive claim. There is no mention of this on his OS.

Here:
2nd testimony
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5620.0.html

[susan]

Harters I remember reading on this forum he had taken out a loan for household stuff not sure if it was electrical items or furniture but I have read it.

[Patti]

I thought it was information from Jeremy himself. 

It was a couple of grand, and then he'd saved up a few hundred for something else for the house.
I don't think it is relevant though.

Its in one of his statements to S.Jones that he took a loan out in 1984. I think the sum was 1 maybe 2 thousand.  At one time Jeremy had over 3 thousand in the bank, but that dwindled away when he moved into Goldhanger.

He got free rent, fuel and phone, but he had to furnish it with his own money.  Jones asked if he was happy with having to furnish it himself...The reply why would I be unhappy about it. I think Jeremy told him that his parents had already done enough for him...Jeremy asked Jones if he wanted to see the receipts for what he had bought...Jones didn't reply.   

[maggie]

Does anybody else remember reading about JB taking out a loan to pay for carpets or curtains? 

There's obviously been something mentioned by somebody, hence the thread title.

I do remember something mentioned ages ago, Harters but not sure where the info came from or if it was hearsay.

[No-Bits]

Harters I remember reading on this forum he had taken out a loan for household stuff not sure if it was electrical items or furniture but I have read it.

Thank you Susan, I thought I was going mad.   


(Now I'm sure  )

[No-Bits]

Its in one of his statements to S.Jones that he took a loan out in 1984. I think the sum was 1 maybe 2 thousand.  At one time Jeremy had over 3 thousand in the bank, but that dwindled away when he moved into Goldhanger.

He got free rent, fuel and phone, but he had to furnish it with his own money.  Jones asked if he was happy with having to furnish it himself...The reply why would I be unhappy about it. I think Jeremy told him that his parents had already done enough for him...Jeremy asked Jones if he wanted to see the receipts for what he had bought...Jones didn't reply.   

Traadaa 

[susan]

Patti thank you for that information at least Harters will now know he is not mad well not quite

[No-Bits]

Patti thank you for that information at least Harters will now know he is not mad well not quite

Not 'alf as mad as the thread starter will be though. 

[susan]

Harters