Jeremy's Debts

[nugnug]

he was standing a load of cash from his granny anyway.

more than his dad could ever give him.

[Adam]

Here are some other motivations. Although money was the main one.

IN JAIL AT WHF:

Was it 14 or 17 hour days on the farm ? Either way long days. At court Jeremy said he had seen his fathers will which tied him to working on the farm until Neville died. 


BOARDING SCHOOL: 

Mary Mugford said Jeremy 'never forgave June for sending him to boarding school. 


THINGS WERE SLIPPING AWAY: 

Jeremy was 24. It was the 'loads of money' era. Jeremy wanted to be a rich playboy based in London. But told Julie he had 'too much to lose' by walking away. He had neither the talent or determination to make it alone. 

Mary Mugford said in court Jeremy had told her June was going to amend her will in favour of the twins. 


OPPORTUNITY: 

As the previous thread showed. There was an opportunity and ready made scapegoat. 


HATRED: 

People testified how Jeremy hated his parents. Julie testified how Jeremy said Sheila upset him when younger. 


RESENTMENT: 

Sheila was living rent & work free in London. And would have inherited as much as Jeremy when Neville/June deceased. But how many hours had she worked on the farm ? And how many hours would she put in after inheriting ? 


DOING EVERYONE A FAVOUR: 

Neville was apparently 'ready to be put to pasture', June was a 'religious maniac', Sheila needed being 'put out of her misery' & the twins were bound to be effected by all this. Even Colin would benefit as he would have more time to look for work without the burden of two children. 


PROVING JULIE WRONG, AND IMPRESSING HER:  

Julie obviously never believed Jeremy would do something so horrendous. Even on the night she dismissed him. On TV she said Jeremy used to 'say things to shock people'. 


STATUS, POWER, FAME: 

Jeremy would instantly obtain these. He offered a 'Sun' journalist his life story prior to being charged. 


TO SHOW HE COULD ACHIEVE SOMETHING: 

The perfect crime and frame. Jeremy was so proud. Ringing Julie on the night. Then telling her later but giving himself a proxy. He later boasted to Liz Rimmington 'only I know what really happened that night'. 


ON THE DAY: 

Spending 14, or was it 17 hours working on the farm. Watching Sheila & the twins strolling around on their free holiday. A rare opportunity with everyone at WHF. Julies dismissal. Maybe Jeremy had an argument at WHF that night. BW said there was always a strained atmosphere when Jeremy was present. 


THE CARAVAN BREAK IN: 

BW said June & Neville knew about this. Further damaging their relationship with Jeremy. Was it now beyond repair ? Jeremy and June had not spoken for years according to Mary Mugford. 


ADOPTION: 

Jeremy was not related by blood. He was adopted and then sent to boarding school. Before persuading his parents to finance some jaunts abroad. Now he was a farm labourer. Complaining about his adoptive parents interfering in his life. Parents he did not like. 


THE BUSINESS: 

AE says Jeremy and Neville had a blazing row just before the murders. Neville would always have the final say as Jeremy only had a small share. This would have frustrated the 'would be' business executive Jeremy. 

[nugnug]

so he wanted to be a rich playboy but funnly enough wasn't in debt.

and had plenty of cash in the bank there arnt that many playboys who have money in bank.

[No-Bits]

Hmm,  this is an odd one, I don't have the best memory in the world I admit, but I do remember reading 'something' which stated that JB had taken out a loan, for soft furnishings or something, the figure of £2000 seems to ring a bell.

Regardless, the reality is irrelevant,  I don't believe anybody is suggesting he murdered his family because he was in debt to the tune of a few thousand pounds.

[nugnug]

can you remember where you read that hartley.

[Adam]

It is no secret Jeremy wanted to be a rich playboy. He was a ruthless operator. Obsessed with money. Source already provided.

Working 14/17 hour days as a farm labourer meant he did not have the time, money or energy to be a playboy.

His gran's will was discussed a couple of days ago. No one has ever provided proof that he was going to inherit from her. It was not brought up at trial by the defence to refute the money motive claim. There is no mention of this on his OS.

[maggie]

Adam none of those would cause a 'normal' person to carry out that crime, only a truly wicked personality ie. Psychopathic/narcissistic person would cope with carrying it out. Imo
Your reasons don't stand up on their own, the only really acceptable reason imo is that he is a truly evil man or he's innocent. Prove he is evil and I will agree with you, otherwise none of your reasons convince me.

[No-Bits]

Thought Jeremy had a fair bit of money in his bank ccount and was very comfortably off for a 24 year old.
IMO he was either a wicked, greedy psychopathic murderer or he is innocent ......... any other reasons to murder are a red herring imo.

That does appear to be the case. 

[No-Bits]

can you remember where you read that hartley.

I thought it was information from Jeremy himself. 

It was a couple of grand, and then he'd saved up a few hundred for something else for the house.
I don't think it is relevant though.

[nugnug]

It is no secret Jeremy wanted to be a rich playboy. He was a ruthless operator. Obsessed with money. Source already provided.

Working 14/17 hour days as a farm labourer meant he did not have the time, money or energy to be a playboy.

His gran's will was discussed a couple of days ago. No one has ever provided proof that he was going to inherit from her. It was not brought up at trial by the defence to refute the money motive claim. There is no mention of this on his OS.

what source.

[Jan]

It is no secret Jeremy wanted to be a rich playboy. He was a ruthless operator. Obsessed with money. Source already provided.

Working 14/17 hour days as a farm labourer meant he did not have the time, money or energy to be a playboy.

His gran's will was discussed a couple of days ago. No one has ever provided proof that he was going to inherit from her. It was not brought up at trial by the defence to refute the money motive claim. There is no mention of this on his OS.

? sorry can you
1) remind us of the source that he was a ruthless operator obsessed by money
2) Why did the family have the will altered then ?

[Adam]

Adam none of those would cause a 'normal' person to carry out that crime, only a truly wicked personality ie. Psychopathic/narcissistic person would cope with carrying it out. Imo
Your reasons don't stand up on their own, the only really acceptable reason imo is that he is a truly evil man or he's innocent. Prove he is evil and I will agree with you, otherwise none of your reasons convince me.

None of the reasons alone would be enough. But together they were a strong supporting reason sitting alongside over a million pounds in today's money.

[Adam]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=RUnVU_TSJ4Or0QXU9ICQAQ&url=http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php%3Ftopic%3D922.15&cd=1&ved=0CBwQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFpJ1SpLEJ0RVnbYnKSeJyvIKwcBA


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[nugnug]

I thought it was information from Jeremy himself. 

It was a couple of grand, and then he'd saved up a few hundred for something else for the house.
I don't think it is relevant though.

probably not relevant but it could be.

[Jane]

None of the reasons alone would be enough. But together they were a strong supporting reason sitting alongside over a million pounds in today's money.

From which source did you obtain in formation that Jeremy was a ruthless operator obsessed by money?