the raid team enter whf 2 hours after daylight.

[maggie]

well they will grab you and drag you away if you do that.

i know what the police verson of what happend that night im not to sure what jeremys is.

Exactly nugnug, we simply don't and probably never will know the whole story so it's really difficult to form an opinion.

[maggie]

His subdued behavior including no guilt over allegedly leaving the murder weapon out is highly suspicious but after all the evidence is considered then it is obviousl why he acted the way he did.  The evidence establishes that Sheila did not kill anyone else nor did she kill herself. Sheila thus didn't find a rifle he left out and kill anyone with it. Jeremy killed them all so that explains his suspicious behavior away. He killed them and knew they were dead already hence why he was not worried about their safety and did not have any guilt over the weapon being left out or other forms of survivor guilt.

That is your opinion and that's fair enough but it isn't mine.  I feel it' impossible to know the whole truth of what happened outside WHF that night or how Jeremy behaved afterwards as we are only given snapshots many of them from people who didn't like him, this makes it extremely difficult to judge Jeremy's reactions and behaviour imo.

[scipio_usmc]

well they will grab you and drag you away if you do that.

i know what the police verson of what happend that night im not to sure what Jeremys is.

The first responders would indeed grab a hysterical person who did such but that is not what happened because Jeremy did not act in such manner.

Eventually Jeremy figured he better act upset and forced himself to puke and told Julie how he had forced himself to puke.  But for him telling her this she had no way to know he puked at all so he had to have told her it.  That was his excuse to go call Julie because he said he was upset and needed comfort.  Instead he told her things were great and not to go to work because he was going to have police pick her up so she could confim he called her to say Nevill phoned him to try to bolster his case the call really happened. 

In hindsight it is obvious why he did all the things he did and acted as he did, he murdered them so knew they were dead and thus was not worried about their safety. 

[scipio_usmc]

That is your opinion and that's fair enough but it isn't mine.  I feel it' impossible to know the whole truth of what happened outside WHF that night or how Jeremy behaved afterwards as we are only given snapshots many of them from people who didn't like him, this makes it extremely difficult to judge Jeremy's reactions and behaviour imo.

You are too biased to see the forest for the trees.

You still think SHeila could have done it without ther ebeign any blood or GSR on her clothes so frankly your opinion is not worth much because it is not based on evidence and rational things just your bias and emotions.

[nugnug]

is it possble you could learn to debate like an adult.

all theses childish only go to show weak your argumeents really are.

[scipio_usmc]

is it possble you could learn to debate like an adult.

all theses childish only go to show weak your argumeents really are.

What I posted is not childish.  Opinions are not worth anything unless they are founded on evidence and rational thought.

Her's are not, hers are founded upon bias and completely ignore all evidence and raitonal thought.

That is why Jeremy will not get out of prison ever.

Jeremy was convicted ont he basis of a substantial amount of evidence.   The only way he coudl ever be established ot be innocent is if that evidence is refuted.  His lawyers were unable to refute it at trial, unable to refute it on appeal and his supporters ar eunable to refute it.

Team Jeremy can't refute it and yet insists they beleive he is innocent anyway.  All that amounts to is blind faith in Jeremy.  Why people are willing to have blind faith in him I don't know or care.  That blind faith is worthless in a debate though.

[nugnug]

its a forum people have different opinions get used to it.

[grahameb]

The first responders would indeed grab a hysterical person who did such but that is not what happened because Jeremy did not act in such manner.

Eventually Jeremy figured he better act upset and forced himself to puke and told Julie how he had forced himself to puke.  But for him telling her this she had no way to know he puked at all so he had to have told her it.  That was his excuse to go call Julie because he said he was upset and needed comfort.  Instead he told her things were great and not to go to work because he was going to have police pick her up so she could confim he called her to say Nevill phoned him to try to bolster his case the call really happened. 

In hindsight it is obvious why he did all the things he did and acted as he did, he murdered them so knew they were dead and thus was not worried about their safety.

You forgot to say, "I presume" after saying all that. You have no way of knowing if he was sick or not, or the reason he called JM?

[grahameb]

You are too biased to see the forest for the trees.

You still think SHeila could have done it without ther ebeign any blood or GSR on her clothes so frankly your opinion is not worth much because it is not based on evidence and rational things just your bias and emotions.

I suppose you aren't biased? Your opinion as to what happened outside WHF in regard to Jeremy's feelings is still just your opinion. Just because someone doesn't agree with YOU does not make them too biased. It just means they do not agree with you.
May I also suggest that even if some things people are based upon evidence they can also be biased with it, which actually prevents them from seeing other things. An indication of this bias is that they "presume" to know how others are feeling and even judge their motives, which is being biased. You have done both.

[nugnug]

ive heard nothing about him being sick before and somone who wasnt there would have no way of knowing weather he was or wasnt.

[grahameb]

ive heard nothing about him being sick before and somone who wasnt there would have no way of knowing weather he was or wasnt.

One of the coppers said he appeard to be sick.

[scipio_usmc]

You forgot to say, "I presume" after saying all that. You have no way of knowing if he was sick or not, or the reason he called JM?

How did Julie known Jeremy puked?  She was not there.  He had to have told her afterwards.  So her story that he told her about the puking incident had to be true because it is the only way she would have known about it.  Why would he have mentioned it later?  She said he told her that he stuck his fingers in his throat and forced himself to puke and put on a great act just like the good act she put on when he told her she should have been an actress.

WHy would he fake puking?  Becaase he was not actually upset but wanted police to think he was, that is the only reason to do such.  The motivation for this is self-evident no presumtion is required.

[nugnug]

One of the coppers said he appeard to be sick.

well that's hardly reliable evidence.

[nugnug]

How did Julie known Jeremy puked?  She was not there.  He had to have told her afterwards.  So her story that he told her about the puking incident had to be true because it is the only way she would have known about it.  Why would he have mentioned it later?  She said he told her that he stuck his fingers in his throat and forced himself to puke and put on a great act just like the good act she put on when he told her she should have been an actress.

WHy would he fake puking?  Becaase he was not actually upset but wanted police to think he was, that is the only reason to do such.  The motivation for this is self-evident no presumtion is required.

no someone who was there could of told her.

or she could of just made it up altogether.

[scipio_usmc]

One of the coppers said he appeard to be sick.

To "get sick" is a nice way of saying he puked or barfed or less vulgar "threw up".  Puked is such a nice descriptive word though I can't resist. I also use upchucked especially since an incident in high school.   I worked with someone named Chuck and he decided he was going to "get sick" so he was running towards the bathroom but did not get far, he upchucked as he was running, then stepped in it slipped and fell in it and was covered in barf.  From that day forward we called him upchuck. One day he actually found a girlfriend somehow and we told her the upchuck story because she asked why we called him upchuck.  He then quit.  With so many interesting ways to say it how can you simple say "got sick".