the raid team enter whf 2 hours after daylight.

[Jan]

Strangely enough this is normal police procedure even up to the present date. In a hostage situation they simply wait. If it were in the daytime they would still wait. They use as many police as possible. The theory is to try and end the seige without bloodshed. Just recall the Iranian Embassy seige in the 80's. The police did exactly the same thing. Until the hastage takers started killing people. It was at that moment that they decided to send in the SAS.
Another reason they would use so many police is to overwhelm the suspect so that they wouldn't get the chance to use any weapons. The fact is they just didn't know what to expect. Even if Jeremy had not clued them in about Sheila the mere mention of a gun puts the police on high alert.

there was a case near me where a girl was shot by her  ex and she lay dying in the arms of her neighbours . The  armed police that arrived on the scene prevented   the ambulance staff going in , even though the neighbours were on the phone explaining that the murderer had gone and taken the gun with him.

It was very sad and tremendously traumatic for the people involved.

[nugnug]

so this is all to deal with somone they cliam not to have seen or heard from all night.

and they needed that much back why hadent they asked for it before.

[grahameb]

there was a case near me where a girl was shot by her  ex and she lay dying in the arms of her neighbours . The  armed police that arrived on the scene police  the ambulance going in , even though the neighbours were on the phone explaining that the murderer had gone and taken the gun with him.

It was very sad and tremendously traumatic for the people involved.

I'm afraid the police can be very annoying at times. There was a small outbuilding caught fire at Langford and the bloke was trying to put it out, but was hindered by this policeman who threatened to arrest him if he didn't stay back. The man just ignored him and carried on.

[grahameb]

so this is all to deal with somone they cliam not to have seen or heard from all night.

and they needed that much back why hadent they asked for it before.

Because they didn't have Sylvester Stallone with them.

[Jane]

A policeman's lot is not a happy one?

And they're usually shaking in their shoes whilst they're singing it

[guest7363]

well it certainly seems like they dident give a toss about that.

and its strange because the armed would certainly have come up against thing like that before.

It could equally be said there is nothing or no one would have stopped me from going in if my mum or dad or sister had called for my help?

[nugnug]

now if they really hadent seen anything or heard anything surely they wouldn't of called for back up would they.

[nugnug]

It could equally be said there is nothing or no one would have stopped me from going in if my mum or dad or sister had called for my help?

its easy to cliam that if its never happend to you.

id like to think i would as well but untill you have been there you dont know.

[guest7363]

its easy to cliam that if its never happend to you.

Nothing or no one.

[Jan]

It could equally be said there is nothing or no one would have stopped me from going in if my mum or dad or sister had called for my help?

I agree in some respects , however

1) He did not know any shots had been fired , although I think it slowly began to dawn on him as the night progressed
2) perhaps he thought it was best to leave it to the professionals who would know how to sort it out.

[nugnug]

but they dident seem to have a clue which is strange because the armed unit would of certanly done that sort of thing before.

[maggie]

I agree in some respects , however

1) He did not know any shots had been fired , although I think it slowly began to dawn on him as the night progressed
2) perhaps he thought it was best to leave it to the professionals who would know how to sort it out.

In reality we often react differently than we imagine we would. It's difficult to judge imo.

[nugnug]

most people act diffrently to to how they think they would act.

[guest7363]

I agree in some respects , however

1) He did not know any shots had been fired , although I think it slowly began to dawn on him as the night progressed
2) perhaps he thought it was best to leave it to the professionals who would know how to sort it out.

Thanks Jansus, the fact is the police did not know anything about the people inside other than what Jeremy told them.  Once he told them about the guns and fathers phone call and his sister it is then handed over to the firearms team which then becomes a long drawn out affair.

[guest7363]

its easy to cliam that if its never happend to you.

id like to think i would as well but untill you have been there you dont know.

It has and it was Essex? But not quite the same.