the raid team enter whf 2 hours after daylight.

[Jane]

PS Adams arrived at 5AM with the Firearms Team and took charge
DI Montgomery arrived at 7AM assumed command, Adams 2nd in charge they coordinated efforts.

After the second batch arrived the outer buildings were cleared before doing anything else.  Then the decision was made to enter and a team of 3 were selected to look for the best entry location with the kitchen door being sleected.

Prior to Montgomery and his firearms team there were only 6 on scene:
Sgt Adams
Alexander-Smart
Collins
Delgado
Dermott
Matthews

With Mongtomery and his personnel that jumped to 18 men (1 was actually female)

Raid team
Alexander-Smart
Collins
Delgado
Hall
Manners
Woodcock

Containment:
Adams
Montgomery
Brown
Moule
MacIntosh
Matthews
Jeapes
Dermott
Mercer
Rozga
Mildinhall
Webb

The final 3 members of the containment team were called inside WHF to help cover the officers who were clearing the rooms.

Raid members who cleared the upstairs rooms and found the 5 bodies:
Collins
Delgado
Woodcock

Provided cover to these 3 and thus subsequently saw the bodies:

Hall
Manners
Webb (did not see bedroom well, only saw June from a distance)

So 5 men from the raid team had ented the bedroom and seen both bodies in it, eveyrone who entered only saw 1 in the kitchen.

Shortly after the structure was cleared 4 supervisors entered to inspect the premises and saw all 5 bodies so rather quickly saw the 2 bodied in the master bedroom.

Gibbons
Harris
Montgomery
Adams

Isn't that RATHER a lot of big, burly men to prevent one girl from escaping?

[grahameb]

Now now Grahame. You know that Crispy barking does not count.

Well of course he can't count. He's a dog.

[nugnug]

Isn't that RATHER a lot of big, burly men to prevent one girl from escaping?

i thought that to.

[grahameb]

Isn't that RATHER a lot of big, burly men to prevent one girl from escaping?

Well you know what the cops are like. They need 3 police cars to stop you from speeding. One from the front, one from the back and one to look out for black people to arrest.

[No-Bits]

Isn't that RATHER a lot of big, burly men to prevent one girl from escaping?

One girl who weirdly people think was capable overcoming and murdering June and Nevill and then killing her own children?

A person apparently capable of using all the guns (which are all loaded) in the house?
I don't think you can have it both ways. 

[nugnug]

yes but 18 of them for one person.

what would they have thought there were 3 armed people to deal with.

[Jane]

One girl who weirdly people think was capable overcoming and murdering June and Nevill and then killing her own children?

A person apparently capable of using all the guns (which are all loaded) in the house?
I don't think you can have it both ways. 

WHAT did they think she was going to do, FCS? Come out shooting with a gun -sorry, rifle- in each hand, spares under her arms? 1 girl, 30+ men!!!!!!!!

[No-Bits]

WHAT did they think she was going to do, FCS? Come out shooting with a gun -sorry, rifle- in each hand, spares under her arms? 1 girl, 30+ men!!!!!!!!

They were trying to ensure nobody would be in danger, are you suggesting Sheila was incapable of causing danger? Incapable of murder?

The police presence was quite normal.

[nugnug]

WHAT did they think she was going to do, FCS? Come out shooting with a gun -sorry, rifle- in each hand, spares under her arms? 1 girl, 30+ men!!!!!!!!

they thought it was going to be like butch casidy and the sun dance kid.

[Alias]

I know that someone is going to snap at me, but to me it looks as if they were there to protect each other, and didn´t give it so much priority to protect and possibly save potential survivors inside the house.

[scipio_usmc]

Isn't that RATHER a lot of big, burly men to prevent one girl from escaping?

The raid team consisted of 6 men initially and then 3 more went in so 9 total clearing the house.  Excluding the supervisors who obviously did nothing but plan and order others around that left 6 men and 1 woman for containment.  one of those men was the k9 unit which had been ready to go in if necessary so only 2 people were there on each of the 3 other sides acting as containment.

The initial batch had a supervisor and 5 men so basically that owuld allow 2 men to clear the house with 1 acting as containment on each of the 3 other sides.  Not a very strong force structure.

[nugnug]

I know that someone is going to snap at me, but to me it looks as if they were there to protect each other, and didn´t give it so much priority to protect and possibly save potential survivors inside the house.

well it certainly seems like they dident give a toss about that.

and its strange because the armed would certainly have come up against thing like that before.

[grahameb]

I know that someone is going to snap at me, but to me it looks as if they were there to protect each other, and didn´t give it so much priority to protect and possibly save potential survivors inside the house.

Strangely enough this is normal police procedure even up to the present date. In a hostage situation they simply wait. If it were in the daytime they would still wait. They use as many police as possible. The theory is to try and end the seige without bloodshed. Just recall the Iranian Embassy seige in the 80's. The police did exactly the same thing. Until the hastage takers started killing people. It was at that moment that they decided to send in the SAS.
Another reason they would use so many police is to overwhelm the suspect so that they wouldn't get the chance to use any weapons. The fact is they just didn't know what to expect. Even if Jeremy had not clued them in about Sheila the mere mention of a gun puts the police on high alert.

[Jane]

I know that someone is going to snap at me, but to me it looks as if they were there to protect each other, and didn´t give it so much priority to protect and possibly save potential survivors inside the house.

Alias, that puts me in mind of the chorus of policemen in Gilbert and Sullivan's Pirates of Penzance

[grahameb]

Alias, that puts me in mind of the chorus of policemen in Gilbert and Sullivan's Pirates of Penzance

A policeman's lot is not a happy one?