the raid team enter whf 2 hours after daylight.

[nugnug]

it shows they lying about why they dident go in.

they said they were waiting till daylight and they clearly were not.

[Adam]

They were waiting for daylight. If that is what they said.

That does not mean they would go in at that exact minute daylight broke. They will go in when they are also confident and ready. It's called being professional.

Jeremy had told them Sheila was a nutter, looney, psychotic depressive and knew how to handle guns. Neville had rang him saying Sheila had 'gone crazy and had got the gun'. Perhaps a good idea to not rush things.

[Jan]

Jeremy's account was that there was a gunman in there so they had to operate from that assumption.  Particualry since the phone was off the hook so they could not call those inside and their only means of communication- megaphone was met with no response.

That means:

1) they were all dead

or

2) any who were living were being kept from answering and the person holding them hostage chose not to answer either

SInce they had no way to know which was the case they had to assume the gunman was alive and could try to escape from a different door if they broke in.  They thus set up a perimeter in case the gunman tried to escape and a raid team to clear the house.

2 hours with a megaphone and no response?

Gun MAN?

He never told them she had fired any shots ?

For all they knew they were all alive?

[nugnug]

so therefore absolutely no reason not to go in.

[Adam]

They were waiting for daylight. If that is what they said.

That does not mean they would go in at that exact minute daylight broke. They will go in when they are also confident and ready. It's called being professional.

Jeremy had told them Sheila was a nutter, looney, psychotic depressive and knew how to handle guns. Neville had rang him saying Sheila had 'gone crazy and had got the gun'. Perhaps a good idea to not rush things.

[nugnug]

we have allready proved they couldent of been waiting for daylight becouse they went in 2 hours after daylight.

its not professniol to wait outside when there are 4 hostages inside that could be killed at any time.

[lookout]

That's another faux-pas on their behalf. All kitted out in their raid gear,then twiddling their thumbs for over 2 hours ? Weren't they brave ?

[Adam]

How do you know ? Are you a raid team officer ?

When they went in is not going to release Jeremy.

Now if you can find proof the police instructed the lab technicians to expertly put incriminating blood inside the silencer....

[nugnug]

i dont need to be basic common sense tells me that.


they lied about why they waited to go in the qustion is why.

[Adam]

You're common sense.

I would rather trust the unbiased experts when there are guns involved.

[scipio_usmc]

2 hours with a megaphone and no response?

Gun MAN?

He never told them she had fired any shots ?

For all they knew they were all alive?

Someone in possession of a gun is a gunman.  The police were told there was a crazy person inside with an arsenal of wepaons at her disposal and that she had used them all.  Her escaping as they went in would be a major problem hence why more armed officers were summoned.  They were summosed so a perimeter coudl be estbalished with amred personnel and still have enough extra rto clear the structure.  That is standard procedure.

You are just demontrating you are too biased to ever face facts.  There was a second batch of armed officers summoned and the purpose was to be able to have a perimeter while entry was effected.   

[nugnug]

standard procedure was very diffrent in those days they would have been expected to go in and save the people inside.

in those days they to concerned about a policeman's safety.

[Adam]

standard procedure was very diffrent in those days they would have been expected to go in and save the people inside.

in those days they to concerned about a policeman's safety.

Source please about 1985 standard procedure for a raid team in a hostage situation.

It would be good to see how they broke their own protocols. I do not recall Jeremy ever claiming they did.

[nugnug]

That's another faux-pas on their behalf. All kitted out in their raid gear,then twiddling their thumbs for over 2 hours ? Weren't they brave ?

and the best they could with after was we were waiting till daylight though was an obvios lie but they were never pulled up on it.

[Jan]

They were waiting for daylight. If that is what they said.

That does not mean they would go in at that exact minute daylight broke. They will go in when they are also confident and ready. It's called being professional.

Jeremy had told them Sheila was a nutter, looney, psychotic depressive and knew how to handle guns. Neville had rang him saying Sheila had 'gone crazy and had got the gun'. Perhaps a good idea to not rush things.

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