Menstrual Blood

[JackiePreece]

I think it has been established here on this forum that clothes in the bucket could have had blood on them from the victims

Ann Eaton had no right to dispose of such important items especially as she made it very clear from the outset that she believed Jeremy was responsible

[Jan]

Well if she just washed them through and then destroyed them she would not have sniffed them - would she?

Personally I am not sure that these buckets were at all relevant - but we have only got her word now for what was in the buckets.  So considering she made herself out as some kind of sleuth she has laid herself open to criticism . But I guess at the early stage the police were dismissing all their protestations anyway.

I really thought she had taken those clothes and I really thought they had looked at the silencer in MORE detail whilst they were still at the house , but it takes a lot of reading to get through all their statements .

[Jane]

Well if she just washed them through and then destroyed them she would not have sniffed them - would she?

Personally I am not sure that these buckets were at all relevant - but we have only got her word now for what was in the buckets.  So considering she made herself out as some kind of sleuth she has laid herself open to criticism . But I guess at the early stage the police were dismissing all their protestations anyway.

I really thought she had taken those clothes and I really thought they had looked at the silencer in MORE detail whilst they were still at the house , but it takes a lot of reading to get through all their statements .

Jansus, I have to confess that, whilst there seems to be little in Ann that I find endearing, in those first few days, I imagine she'd have felt a strong need to be useful as opposed to just sitting, doing nothing and feeling helpless and useless.

[lookout]

 The strong urge to do something came a little too late I'm afraid,April.

Thinking back,nobody came forward to give June a hand with Sheila. Come to think of it,the relatives only made an appearance perhaps at Easter or Christmas. Altogether,they weren't so helpful when the family were alive,which to me,is all about families.

[Jane]

The strong urge to do something came a little too late I'm afraid,April.

Thinking back,nobody came forward to give June a hand with Sheila. Come to think of it,the relatives only made an appearance perhaps at Easter or Christmas. Altogether,they weren't so helpful when the family were alive,which to me,is all about families.

I hear this said SO frequently, Lookout, but there are two sides to every story. To those who tell me that "No one offers to help me" I wonder if they have ever ASKED for help. People aren't mind readers. Maybe one didn't just turn up at WHF without a prior invitation. June may haver seen it as a slur on her ability as a mother if help had been offered, and surely if it HAD been the offer would have been more appropriate coming from her sister than her niece. The giving and receiving of help is a two way thing.

[lookout]

I hear this said SO frequently, Lookout, but there are two sides to every story. To those who tell me that "No one offers to help me" I wonder if they have ever ASKED for help. People aren't mind readers. Maybe one didn't just turn up at WHF without a prior invitation. June may haver seen it as a slur on her ability as a mother if help had been offered, and surely if it HAD been the offer would have been more appropriate coming from her sister than her niece. The giving and receiving of help is a two way thing.

Yes,I agree with that side of it,April. We'll never get to know if Pam offered her services either,or asked if any of the family could help,as Pam knew how things were. I would love to have known how the rest of the family would have reacted,though RWB and the rest of the relatives,denied there was anything amiss at WHF,or else they genuinely didn't know.
Though I'd have been surprised if Pam hadn't told any of them anything.
Maybe it was that June was no stranger when it came to young drug addicts, so knew how to cope, as she had her nephew stay at WHF so that she could help wean him off them and improve his outlook on life and thought she could help Sheila the same way.

I just wonder what it was that distanced them all ?

[Alias]

The family had no idea how ill Sheila was, so why would they have offered to help? That said, you made some good points about help being a two way thing.

[No-Bits]

The family had no idea how ill Sheila was, so why would they have offered to help? That said, you made some good points about help being a two way thing.

How do you know? I'm not saying that they did (I have no idea).

[Alias]

How do you know? I'm not saying that they did (I have no idea).

Colin Caffell says that in his book. I suppose he is telling the truth. COULD be that the family downplayed their knowledge about Sheila towards him though, I cannot know that.

He says something very strange, actually, upside-down lpgic in my view:

"One of the most striking things about that day (day of funeral of Sheila, June and Nevill) , although not altogether surprising to me, was the fact that, the more I talked to June and Nevill´s relations (not even Colin call them Sheila and Jeremy´s relations.....how sad is that!), the more I realised none of them actually knew anything had been seriously wrong with Bambs - not even June´s sister Pam. Many of them said that had they known, they would have been more than willing to help and share the burden. Why hadn´t I contacted them and told them all about it? I couldn´t believe what I was hearing and could only reply by saying that I didn´t feel it had been my business to betray the Bambers´ confidence. They were very private people whose decisions I had to respect - whether they were right or wrong. These people could have no idea how much I´d needed them as allies to convince June and Nevill of how strongly I felt Bambs´ treatment should have been changed.
Their lack of awareness was probably a tremendous blessing, because without a full appreciation of her illness - which, for me, had acted like a smoke-screen to the truth - they were absolutely convinced Bambs couldn´t have done it and, unbeknown to me then, were already pressing the police into further investigations, albeit with little initial success."

[No-Bits]

Colin Caffell says that in his book. I suppose he is telling the truth. COULD be that the famioly downplayed their knowledge about Sheila towards him though, I cannot know that.

He says something very strange, actually, upside-down lpgic in my view:

"One of the most striking things about that day (day of funeral of Sheila, June and Nevill) , although not altogether surprising to me, was the fact that, the more I talked to June and Nevill´s relations (not even Colin call them Sheila and Jeremy´s relations.....how sad is that!), the more I realised none of them actually knew anything had been seriously wrong with Bambs - not even June´s sister Pam. Many of them said that had they known, they would have been more than willing to help and share the burden. Why hadn´t I contacted them and told them all about it? I couldn´t believe what I was hearing and could only reply by saying that I didn´t feel it had been my business to betray the Bambers´ confidence. They were very private people whose decisions I had to respect - whether they were right or wrong. These people could have no idea how much I´d needed them as allies to convince June and Nevill of how strongly I felt Bambs´ treatment should have been changed.
Their lack of awareness was probably a tremendous blessing, because without a full appreciation of her illness - which, for me, had acted like a smoke-screen to the truth - they were absolutely convinced Bambs couldn´t have done it and, unbeknown to me then, were already pressing the police into further investigations, albeit with little initial success."

Fair enough.   

[scipio_usmc]

I think it has been established here on this forum that clothes in the bucket could have had blood on them from the victims

Ann Eaton had no right to dispose of such important items especially as she made it very clear from the outset that she believed Jeremy was responsible

Established how?

The only clothes established to have blood were panties with blood stains in the crotch area.  How could that have been blood from the victims?  You are embarrassing yourself with such silly claims.

Eaton took the garbage home with her and police didn't want it so she ended up getitng rid of it.

Police did not want the bloody panties they saw no significance at all because it is as plain as day the blood was menstrual and unrelated to the murders.

[Alias]

Established how?

The only clothes established to have blood were panties with blood stains in the crotch area.  How could that have been blood from the victims?  You are embarrassing yourself with such silly claims.

Eaton took the garbage home with her and police didn't want it so she ended up getitng rid of it.

Police did not want the bloody panties they saw no significance at all because it is as plain as day the blood was menstrual and unrelated to the murders.

So the EP simply took Ann Eaton´s word for it and didn´t give a toss anyway. They never looked at the contents themselves.
Probably Ann Eaton was correct about what was in the buckets, but that doesn´t change the fact that this was extremely bad police work!

[No-Bits]

So the EP simply took Ann Eaton´s word for it and didn´t give a toss anyway. They never looked at the contents themselves.
Probably Ann Eaton was correct about what was in the buckets, but that doesn´t change the fact that this was extremely bad police work!

The house was no longer a crime scene, it's not as if Ann broke in and took something away. She was asked to go in and clean up the house. What would you expect her to have done differently?

[scipio_usmc]

So the EP simply took Ann Eaton´s word for it and didn´t give a toss anyway. They never looked at the contents themselves.
Probably Ann Eaton was correct about what was in the buckets, but that doesn´t change the fact that this was extremely bad police work!

How do you know EP didn't look through the buckets?

The logical assumption is that police left the clothes after fidnign them because they contained nothing of value.  You instead are assuming they didn't look at the buckets.  Based on what?  Based on leaving them though they would have left them after looking because they woudl have been deemed unrelated ot the murders?

Use your head for a change.

[Jan]

So the EP simply took Ann Eaton´s word for it and didn´t give a toss anyway. They never looked at the contents themselves.
Probably Ann Eaton was correct about what was in the buckets, but that doesn´t change the fact that this was extremely bad police work!

that is true - if they did not look at the clothes at all.

Say for example IF it had been her clothes worn that day and she had showered and changed after the shootings  it could have been VITAL evidence .

This is only an IF and I don't think it was - just saying .

If there are photos around to show they knew what the clothes were then that is different .

Cant really understand soaking the childrens clothes BTW . The underwear then yes that's different.