Order of Inheritance

[scipio_usmc]

What is interesting is that in RWB statement he said that Jeremy and he got on well. And yet 5 days after the murders When he did not have all the facts or evidence in his possession ( how could he the police still were stating that it was murder suicide) he was making moves to ensure Jeremy was out as far as the family was concerned. That is a man on a mission. You would think they would all be in shock - obviously not.

I get along well with my brother but if I believe he killed our parents I would be like RWB if not killing him for what he did.

I don't think he can be faulted for his outrage, it is common for families to disown suspected killers or even disown over less.

It is true that some react in the opposite manner, live in denial and will stand by killers no matter but such people are the minority. A situation comes to mind where a sister and brother became estranged because she insisted her father was innocent despite being convicted of killing their mother. So not only did they lose their mother but eachother. 

The full picture of Sheila not being very coordinated, not expereinced with guns or interested in guns, the unlikelihood of Nevill's alleged call, lies Jeremy told the police and family during the initial days and the rest together combines provides plenty of reasons to be suspicious.  Telling the fmaily the gun did not fit in the closet with the miderator attached so the scope and moderator had to be removed was rather dumb.  Not only did the family know otherwise worse what does removing the scope have to do with it? Saying he took the gun out to shoot vermin when he was not known to do such is not wise either.  His claim he wanted a gun to shoot vermin wasn't right either.  He originally wanted a 12 gauge semiautomatic shotgun which obviously was not for shooting vermin.

Jeremy strikes me as a BS artist. Some BS artists actually are careful and they carefully make up a lie and stick to it.  Jeremey didn't remember what lies he told and just told different people different things thus contradicting himself and even told some people several different stories.  When you are not consistent you raise red flags, when you make claims that make no sense that raises red flags and when you make claims people know are not true you raised red flags.  The family saw such red flags very early on. They would be the logical ones to recognize the red flags early on.  Police had took a while to synthesize the information. 

 
     

[Jan]

I get along well with my brother but if I believe he killed our parents I would be like RWB if not killing him for what he did.

But this was 5 days in before he knew even the "apparent " relevance of the silencer for all he knew it could be animal blood and a rabbit hair on it. In hindsight you could say he was suspicious - but enough to get Jeremy out of the family immediately , seems very odd to me

I don't think he can be faulted for his outrage, it is common for families to disown suspected killers or even disown over less.  - yes when they are convicted

It is true that some react in the opposite manner, live in denial and will stand by killers no matter but such people are the minority. A situation comes to mind where a sister and brother became estranged because she insisted her father was innocent despite being convicted of killing their mother. So not only did they lose their mother but eachother. 

The full picture of Sheila not being very coordinated, not expereinced with guns or interested in guns, the unlikelihood of Nevill's alleged call, lies Jeremy told the police and family during the initial days and the rest together combines provides plenty of reasons to be suspicious.  Telling the fmaily the gun did not fit in the closet with the miderator attached so the scope and moderator had to be removed was rather dumb.  Not only did the family know otherwise worse what does removing the scope have to do with it? Saying he took the gun out to shoot vermin when he was not known to do such is not wise either.  His claim he wanted a gun to shoot vermin wasn't right either.  He originally wanted a 12 gauge semiautomatic shotgun which obviously was not for shooting vermin.

Jeremy strikes me as a BS artist. Some BS artists actually are careful and they carefully make up a lie and stick to it.  Jeremey didn't remember what lies he told and just told different people different things thus contradicting himself and even told some people several different stories.  When you are not consistent you raise red flags, when you make claims that make no sense that raises red flags and when you make claims people know are not true you raised red flags.  The family saw such red flags very early on. They would be the logical ones to recognize the red flags early on.  Police had took a while to synthesize the information.  He was only 24 and no one on here has denied he was probably arrogant and cocky the rest is just your personal opinion because you are chosing to believe the testimony of some that have been proved to be quite capable of telling lies.

 
   

[grahameb]

Plus the intriguing words of DB to AE, I've got something up my sleeve". It appears that RWB had Jeremy to be hung drawn and quartered just a couple of days after the murders/suicide? His going to granny Speakman's house just days later to me speaks volumes.

[scipio_usmc]

But this was 5 days in before he knew even the "apparent " relevance of the silencer for all he knew it could be animal blood and a rabbit hair on it. In hindsight you could say he was suspicious - but enough to get Jeremy out of the family immediately , seems very odd to me

The moderator is the smoking gun simply.  There was a whole lot of other evidence than that.  The family was aware of how Jeremy was claling June a religious nut and they took issue with that and many other things he said including lying about the gun not fitting in the closet with the scope and moderator attached.  He talked about Nevill removing the scope though he would have had no reason.  Instea dof rushing to WHF he drove as slow as dirt until police approached then he pulled over and parked for a few minutes and drove up behind them.  He didn't dial 999 but instead waited a while to call police and called Julie for no valid reason at all it was obviously just to try to use her as an independent winess he received a call from Nevill.  He lied about Sheila firing all the guns in the house and so many other things.   Nevill phoning him made no sense either.  When you have so many things that don't add up and im telling so many lies you wonder. 

yes when they are convicted

Convictions do not cause a family to supsect a member. beliefs are formed well before any trial happens and people will believe acquitted members are in fact guilty as well as convicted members innocent.  It depends on their view of the evidence not the result of the trial.   

He was only 24 and no one on here has denied he was probably arrogant and cocky the rest is just your personal opinion because you are chosing to believe the testimony of some that have been proved to be quite capable of telling lies.

Many lies that Jeremy told can be proven without needing to use his family at all.  One doens't need testimony of the family to estbalish the gun fit int he closet with the moderator attached, that there would be no reason to rmeoved the scope for shooting vermin, that he lied to Colin by saying Sheila was arguing with them over taking the kids away, telling the police Sheial fired all the guns in the house, saying he had fired the gun multiple times the week before as did Nevill and Nevill kept taking the accessories off sometimes using it with them othertimes without.  He changed his claims like the wind.  He said he didn't clal 999 because he didn't know it would be faster but claimed he wasted a lot of time looking up the police number.  How could 999 not be faster then losing 10 minutes looking up a phone number?  At trial he gave a different story saying he did not think it was an emergency or urgent so at first did nothign but then after he thought about it more became worried so called the police.  He either would forget the lie he told last or simply decide that lie was no good so make up a new one.

There is only one person I know who is a good liar.  He remembers all the lies he tells and when he makes up things it never changes.  He thinks in advance and has his bases covered and thus is consistent. You can never be sure if he is lying or not because he is so good at it. Most liars contradict themselves and say things objectively questionable they don't go through all the effort required to actually "play the part" to the hilt. 

[grahameb]

The moderator is the smoking gun simply.  There was a whole lot of other evidence than that.  The family was aware of how Jeremy was claling June a religious nut and they took issue with that and many other things he said including lying about the gun not fitting in the closet with the scope and moderator attached.  He talked about Nevill removing the scope though he would have had no reason.  Instea dof rushing to WHF he drove as slow as dirt until police approached then he pulled over and parked for a few minutes and drove up behind them.  He didn't dial 999 but instead waited a while to call police and called Julie for no valid reason at all it was obviously just to try to use her as an independent winess he received a call from Nevill.  He lied about Sheila firing all the guns in the house and so many other things.   Nevill phoning him made no sense either.  When you have so many things that don't add up and im telling so many lies you wonder. 


Convictions do not cause a family to supsect a member. beliefs are formed well before any trial happens and people will believe acquitted members are in fact guilty as well as convicted members innocent.  It depends on their view of the evidence not the result of the trial.   

Many lies that Jeremy told can be proven without needing to use his family at all.  One doens't need testimony of the family to estbalish the gun fit int he closet with the moderator attached, that there would be no reason to rmeoved the scope for shooting vermin, that he lied to Colin by saying Sheila was arguing with them over taking the kids away, telling the police Sheial fired all the guns in the house, saying he had fired the gun multiple times the week before as did Nevill and Nevill kept taking the accessories off sometimes using it with them othertimes without.  He changed his claims like the wind.  He said he didn't clal 999 because he didn't know it would be faster but claimed he wasted a lot of time looking up the police number.  How could 999 not be faster then losing 10 minutes looking up a phone number?  At trial he gave a different story saying he did not think it was an emergency or urgent so at first did nothign but then after he thought about it more became worried so called the police.  He either would forget the lie he told last or simply decide that lie was no good so make up a new one.

There is only one person I know who is a good liar.  He remembers all the lies he tells and when he makes up things it never changes.  He thinks in advance and has his bases covered and thus is consistent. You can never be sure if he is lying or not because he is so good at it. Most liars contradict themselves and say things objectively questionable they don't go through all the effort required to actually "play the part" to the hilt.

I think you've added that bit on? All the police said was that he was driving slowly. When probably all he was doing was pulling over for the police car to pass? But I can see how things can become embellished over time as people add bits to a story here and there like you have done.

[scipio_usmc]

I think you've added that bit on? All the police said was that he was driving slowly. When probably all he was doing was pulling over for the police car to pass? But I can see how things can become embellished over time as people add bits to a story here and there like you have done.

No he parked and took severla minutes to arrive.  He claimed he stopped to put on a sweater when they asked him why he did this.

[tyler]

Yes,RWB lied at trial by claiming he owned 50 per cent of Carbonells farm. His main asset? As far as I'm aware he had no assets. Mabel Speakman owned the farm until her death. During the COLP review AE was asked why she too falsely claimed that her father owned the farm. Her response,I think was that she thought he did? Can anyone remember what she said about this? 

[maggie]

Yes,RWB lied at trial by claiming he owned 50 per cent of Carbonells farm. His main asset? As far as I'm aware he had no assets. Mabel Speakman owned the farm until her death. During the COLP review AE was asked why she too falsely claimed that her father owned the farm. Her response,I think was that she thought he did? Can anyone remember what she said about this?

Hi tyler, I believe AE stated RWB owned Carbonells farm in her 1st statement, her later explanation for this mistake was that he paid a peppercorn rate for it and therefore treated it as his own when in fact it belonged to Granny Speakman.

[lookout]

 Tut tut,,and he was an honest,upright pillar of the community ! Bluffing his way through.
They didn't want to say they were all struggling in case it looked suspicious regarding a motive..

[Jane]

I think you've added that bit on? All the police said was that he was driving slowly. When probably all he was doing was pulling over for the police car to pass? But I can see how things can become embellished over time as people add bits to a story here and there like you have done.

I wonder how much truth there is in Scipio's assertion that Jeremy drove a 5 mph. I don't believe that "fact" has ever been previously mentioned by anyone else...........................of course, because he will NEVER allow anyone else to be right, he'll probably cover himself by saying that before a vehicle can accelerate to X mph, it HAS to have travelled at 5 mph OR he was seen to be travelling at that speed, having pulled up at a junction -I believe there to be 3 between Head St and Pages Lane- and braked or gone down through the gears.

[grahameb]

No he parked and took severla minutes to arrive.  He claimed he stopped to put on a sweater when they asked him why he did this.

Erm....now let's see. Because he was cold perhaps? Why on earth would they ask a stupid question like that? What was the purpose of him deliberately driving slow and perhaps parking up? None whatsoever. Only that he was told to wait for the police. I should reckon at a logical guess that he didn't want to get their before them? What's so strange about that? Don't you think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill for want of a better expression? It appears that you are attempting to make ordinary common actions that normal people do just in order to make Bamber look as guilty as sin?. Nope, I don't buy I'm afraid this cannot be counted as "evidence" (your favoutite word) against Bamber. I think you are seeing ghosts where there are no ghosts. You imagination is working overtime mate.

[grahameb]

The moderator is the smoking gun simply.  There was a whole lot of other evidence than that.  The family was aware of how Jeremy was claling June a religious nut and they took issue with that and many other things he said including lying about the gun not fitting in the closet with the scope and moderator attached.  He talked about Nevill removing the scope though he would have had no reason.  Instea dof rushing to WHF he drove as slow as dirt until police approached then he pulled over and parked for a few minutes and drove up behind them.  He didn't dial 999 but instead waited a while to call police and called Julie for no valid reason at all it was obviously just to try to use her as an independent winess he received a call from Nevill.  He lied about Sheila firing all the guns in the house and so many other things.   Nevill phoning him made no sense either.  When you have so many things that don't add up and im telling so many lies you wonder. 


Convictions do not cause a family to supsect a member. beliefs are formed well before any trial happens and people will believe acquitted members are in fact guilty as well as convicted members innocent.  It depends on their view of the evidence not the result of the trial.   

Many lies that Jeremy told can be proven without needing to use his family at all.  One doens't need testimony of the family to estbalish the gun fit int he closet with the moderator attached, that there would be no reason to rmeoved the scope for shooting vermin, that he lied to Colin by saying Sheila was arguing with them over taking the kids away, telling the police Sheial fired all the guns in the house, saying he had fired the gun multiple times the week before as did Nevill and Nevill kept taking the accessories off sometimes using it with them othertimes without.  He changed his claims like the wind.  He said he didn't clal 999 because he didn't know it would be faster but claimed he wasted a lot of time looking up the police number.  How could 999 not be faster then losing 10 minutes looking up a phone number?  At trial he gave a different story saying he did not think it was an emergency or urgent so at first did nothign but then after he thought about it more became worried so called the police.  He either would forget the lie he told last or simply decide that lie was no good so make up a new one.

There is only one person I know who is a good liar.  He remembers all the lies he tells and when he makes up things it never changes.  He thinks in advance and has his bases covered and thus is consistent. You can never be sure if he is lying or not because he is so good at it. Most liars contradict themselves and say things objectively questionable they don't go through all the effort required to actually "play the part" to the hilt.

I accept that that is just your attempt at whit and humour of course. But for the reasons that I have given before about the alleged finding of it and the subsequent rough handling of it (this is confirmed in court by the police constable who collected it) that this so called "evidence" is no evidence at all. In spite of your opinion that no one was capable of faking the blood in it (except you of course with your airbrush full of blood) I am of the justified opinion that this "smoking gun" is just a red herring and unfortunately both the judge and 10 of the jury fell for it. You so called "evidence" is no evidence.

[grahameb]

I wonder how much truth there is in Scipio's assertion that Jeremy drove a 5 mph. I don't believe that "fact" has ever been previously mentioned by anyone else...........................of course, because he will NEVER allow anyone else to be right, he'll probably cover himself by saying that before a vehicle can accelerate to X mph, it HAS to have travelled at 5 mph OR he was seen to be travelling at that speed, having pulled up at a junction -I believe there to be 3 between Head St and Pages Lane- and braked or gone down through the gears.

Not sure where he got five miles per hour from? Probably from his own furtile imagination I suppose? Methinks he's trying to make a case out of people's normal actions.

[tyler]

Hi tyler, I believe AE stated RWB owned Carbonells farm in her 1st statement, her later explanation for this mistake was that he paid a peppercorn rate for it and therefore treated it as his own when in fact it belonged to Granny Speakman.

Thanks Maggie,yes I remember now. So,both RWB and AE lied regarding ownership of Carbonells farm and the only reason for this would be to give the impression that RWB had assets/money in his own right and that his interest in seeing Jeremy convicted was not for financial motives.

[grahameb]

Thanks Maggie,yes I remember now. So,both RWB and AE lied regarding ownership of Carbonells farm and the only reason for this would be to give the impression that RWB had assets/money in his own right and that his interest in seeing Jeremy convicted was not for financial motives.

It appears so Tyler. Still this doesn't seem to count with the guilty party. They can I am sure justify everything the relatives do?