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Re: Jeremy Bambers Injuries
« Reply #195 on: July 23, 2014, 06:13:PM »
You are twisting not me.  He said she screamed and he was scared she would attack him so he ran to his car.  He never claimed she did anything to his physically or tried.  Trying to hold this out as evidence she was violent is dishonest and fails.


Well if you insist on reassessing and giving YOUR evaluation of everything, that happens to others, to suit your own view point, I guess the whole history of the world would be quite different.......................but I'm forgetting myself, you've already done it. You've rewritten history, haven't you?

I would remind you that there are numerous ways of attacking. You seem to have mastered the art of one of them rather competently yourself.

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« Reply #196 on: July 23, 2014, 06:38:PM »

Well if you insist on reassessing and giving YOUR evaluation of everything, that happens to others, to suit your own view point, I guess the whole history of the world would be quite different.......................but I'm forgetting myself, you've already done it. You've rewritten history, haven't you?

I would remind you that there are numerous ways of attacking. You seem to have mastered the art of one of them rather competently yourself.

Everytime a Bamber supporter is shown to have a baseless position the tears and feigning indignities come out to try to change the subject.

Frankly after the the lies and misconceptions by Jeremy supporters I wonder whether this supposed witness statement even exists.  No name is ever mentioned for him quite curiously which one would want to include if they actually read it as claimed:

"The witness statement of an Electric Board official who went to White House Farm to read the electric metre two days before the shootings is revealing. The man had an arrangement with the Bambers where he could get the key and let himself in to read the meter. On this particular occasion, the official was confronted by Sheila inside the farmhouse; she screamed and shouted abuse at him. The man was terrified and ‘feared for his life’ and was grateful when June appeared, calmed Sheila down and took her away. June commented that Sheila hadn’t been taking her medication and wasn’t well. The Electric Board official made a witness statement to the police, but this statement was never passed on to Jeremy’s defence team."

If we assume this actually happened all it demostrates is the guy knew where the key was because he routinely unlocked the door with it to let himself in to read the meter.  The account describes it as a longstanding arrangment not something new.  Sheila would be aware of this arrangement why?  He let himself in, she saw a stranger who entered unannounced and she screamed at it to get out.

Did she physically assault him?  No  If she had assualted him to chase him out would such have been indicative of her having delusions again and being violent during delusions?  No

To any rational person is is perfectly understnadable and acceptable to chase a stranger from your house and property.  She didn't go get a gun to chase him or any other weapon so it is not something that can be used to try to refute claims she woudl no touch guns and had no interest.  If it happened it is not of any use at all unless one is dishonest and tries to spin it as Jeremy supporters do out of desperation because they have no actual evidence of her having delusions after being released from the hospital in March or any violence during the any psychotic episodes.  Since there was no such evidence supporters scan through everything trying to see what they could twist to try to pretend there is evidence and this is basically the only episode they can try to spin.

Supporters look dishonest and pathetic trying to pretend this (if it actually happened) supports the view she was relapsing and violent.

Just as pathetic and dishonest when asserting Sheila would have changed her clothing before killing herself and the clothes in the bucket are evidence of this and that is why her clothign had no GSR or blood though such clothing was only for her lower half and the blood and GSR would have mainly been on the clothing on her upper half and no such clothing she could have changed out of was found.

You voluntarily have decided to wage an agenda in support of Jeremy as opposed to following the evidence objectively.  You do so despite the complete lack of evidence to use to support your position.  That is your choice.  The fact you have no evidence to support your position doesn't give you licencse to spin things and then not be called on it.

So if you have a problem with being challenged then don't post nonsense claims and distortions it is that simple. 
   
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Re: Jeremy Bambers Injuries
« Reply #197 on: July 23, 2014, 06:51:PM »
I notice in the statement of Vanesis posted in July 2011 there are these words:
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Standard examinations conducted on Mr. Bamber and Sheila including handswabs for firearms
Now which Mr. Bamber would that have been, Jeremy, or Ralph?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1191.0.html
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« Reply #198 on: July 23, 2014, 07:06:PM »
Everytime a Bamber supporter is shown to have a baseless position the tears and feigning indignities come out to try to change the subject.

Frankly after the the lies and misconceptions by Jeremy supporters I wonder whether this supposed witness statement even exists.  No name is ever mentioned for him quite curiously which one would want to include if they actually read it as claimed:

"The witness statement of an Electric Board official who went to White House Farm to read the electric metre two days before the shootings is revealing. The man had an arrangement with the Bambers where he could get the key and let himself in to read the meter. On this particular occasion, the official was confronted by Sheila inside the farmhouse; she screamed and shouted abuse at him. The man was terrified and ‘feared for his life’ and was grateful when June appeared, calmed Sheila down and took her away. June commented that Sheila hadn’t been taking her medication and wasn’t well. The Electric Board official made a witness statement to the police, but this statement was never passed on to Jeremy’s defence team."

If we assume this actually happened all it demostrates is the guy knew where the key was because he routinely unlocked the door with it to let himself in to read the meter.  The account describes it as a longstanding arrangment not something new.  Sheila would be aware of this arrangement why?  He let himself in, she saw a stranger who entered unannounced and she screamed at it to get out.

Did she physically assault him?  No  If she had assualted him to chase him out would such have been indicative of her having delusions again and being violent during delusions?  No

To any rational person is is perfectly understnadable and acceptable to chase a stranger from your house and property.  She didn't go get a gun to chase him or any other weapon so it is not something that can be used to try to refute claims she woudl no touch guns and had no interest.  If it happened it is not of any use at all unless one is dishonest and tries to spin it as Jeremy supporters do out of desperation because they have no actual evidence of her having delusions after being released from the hospital in March or any violence during the any psychotic episodes.  Since there was no such evidence supporters scan through everything trying to see what they could twist to try to pretend there is evidence and this is basically the only episode they can try to spin.

Supporters look dishonest and pathetic trying to pretend this (if it actually happened) supports the view she was relapsing and violent.

Just as pathetic and dishonest when asserting Sheila would have changed her clothing before killing herself and the clothes in the bucket are evidence of this and that is why her clothign had no GSR or blood though such clothing was only for her lower half and the blood and GSR would have mainly been on the clothing on her upper half and no such clothing she could have changed out of was found.

You voluntarily have decided to wage an agenda in support of Jeremy as opposed to following the evidence objectively.  You do so despite the complete lack of evidence to use to support your position.  That is your choice.  The fact you have no evidence to support your position doesn't give you licencse to spin things and then not be called on it.

So if you have a problem with being challenged then don't post nonsense claims and distortions it is that simple. 
   


DEAR Scipio, you really must learn to calm down. I see no evidence of Jeremy's supporters looking either dishonest or pathetic, except, perhaps to you, who seems to get himself into a frightful tizz without provocation. Whilst we may not agree with you, most of us don't resort to calling you rude names because of your beliefs....................unless it's in retaliation to the things you say of us. You never know what miracles you may bring about if you changed your approach to conversational as apposed to accusation.

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Re: Jeremy Bambers Injuries
« Reply #199 on: July 23, 2014, 07:07:PM »
I don't know any better, but I wonder if this is just the first time that WE have seen/heard/read about Babs seeing the sound moderator?

The reason I say that is, there have been some comments (including from yourself) that nobody had seen any reference to Basil Cock stating that he was present during the finding of the sound moderator. That still appears to be the case, however the following post from Mike today, appears to suggest that Cock did indeed make a statement mentioning his presence during the finding of the sound moderator.
I know he was present at the time. But there is no reference to the fact that he actually saw the silencer when it was found? I had before thought that there were no independent witnesses.

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« Reply #200 on: July 23, 2014, 07:17:PM »
I know he was present at the time. But there is no reference to the fact that he actually saw the silencer when it was found? I had before thought that there were no independent witnesses.

Maybe.  :-\ From Mikes comment, I'm not so sure.  :-\

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« Reply #201 on: July 23, 2014, 07:25:PM »
I notice in the statement of Vanesis posted in July 2011 there are these words: Now which Mr. Bamber would that have been, Jeremy, or Ralph?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1191.0.html

Nevill.  Because he was involved in the kitchen struggle and potentially could have thus fired a weapon they tested him not just Sheila.  SInce June was shot in bed and died shortly after she fell fromt he bed or got out of the bed they assumed she would not have been in a position to fire a weapon and to have been invovled int he murders in any way other than a victim.  Likewise since the twins were killed in bed.  So they only tested Nevill and Sheila's hands.

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« Reply #202 on: July 23, 2014, 07:26:PM »
I notice in the statement of Vanesis posted in July 2011 there are these words: Now which Mr. Bamber would that have been, Jeremy, or Ralph?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1191.0.html
Jeremy.

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« Reply #203 on: July 23, 2014, 07:33:PM »
Jeremy.

Vanezis refers to Jeremy as Jeremy and to Nevill as Mr. Bamber in that document.

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« Reply #204 on: July 23, 2014, 07:41:PM »
Vanezis refers to Jeremy as Jeremy and to Nevill as Mr. Bamber in that document.

Yes, you are quite correct.  :-[

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« Reply #205 on: July 23, 2014, 07:46:PM »
Jeremy.
So Jeremy was tested for firearms use at the time then? Some said he was tested weeks after the event?

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« Reply #206 on: July 23, 2014, 07:48:PM »
You are twisting not me.  He said she screamed and he was scared she would attack him so he ran to his car.  He never claimed she did anything to his physically or tried.  Trying to hold this out as evidence she was violent is dishonest and fails.
And now show me where Jeremy had a history of violence.

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« Reply #207 on: July 23, 2014, 07:52:PM »
Everytime a Bamber supporter is shown to have a baseless position the tears and feigning indignities come out to try to change the subject.

Frankly after the the lies and misconceptions by Jeremy supporters I wonder whether this supposed witness statement even exists.  No name is ever mentioned for him quite curiously which one would want to include if they actually read it as claimed:

"The witness statement of an Electric Board official who went to White House Farm to read the electric metre two days before the shootings is revealing. The man had an arrangement with the Bambers where he could get the key and let himself in to read the meter. On this particular occasion, the official was confronted by Sheila inside the farmhouse; she screamed and shouted abuse at him. The man was terrified and ‘feared for his life’ and was grateful when June appeared, calmed Sheila down and took her away. June commented that Sheila hadn’t been taking her medication and wasn’t well. The Electric Board official made a witness statement to the police, but this statement was never passed on to Jeremy’s defence team."

If we assume this actually happened all it demostrates is the guy knew where the key was because he routinely unlocked the door with it to let himself in to read the meter.  The account describes it as a longstanding arrangment not something new.  Sheila would be aware of this arrangement why?  He let himself in, she saw a stranger who entered unannounced and she screamed at it to get out.

Did she physically assault him?  No  If she had assualted him to chase him out would such have been indicative of her having delusions again and being violent during delusions?  No

To any rational person is is perfectly understnadable and acceptable to chase a stranger from your house and property.  She didn't go get a gun to chase him or any other weapon so it is not something that can be used to try to refute claims she woudl no touch guns and had no interest.  If it happened it is not of any use at all unless one is dishonest and tries to spin it as Jeremy supporters do out of desperation because they have no actual evidence of her having delusions after being released from the hospital in March or any violence during the any psychotic episodes.  Since there was no such evidence supporters scan through everything trying to see what they could twist to try to pretend there is evidence and this is basically the only episode they can try to spin.

Supporters look dishonest and pathetic trying to pretend this (if it actually happened) supports the view she was relapsing and violent.

Just as pathetic and dishonest when asserting Sheila would have changed her clothing before killing herself and the clothes in the bucket are evidence of this and that is why her clothign had no GSR or blood though such clothing was only for her lower half and the blood and GSR would have mainly been on the clothing on her upper half and no such clothing she could have changed out of was found.

You voluntarily have decided to wage an agenda in support of Jeremy as opposed to following the evidence objectively.  You do so despite the complete lack of evidence to use to support your position.  That is your choice.  The fact you have no evidence to support your position doesn't give you licencse to spin things and then not be called on it.

So if you have a problem with being challenged then don't post nonsense claims and distortions it is that simple. 
   
The claims are not baseless scipio, they are events that people in general who knew her have witnessed these acts of Sheila. Acts of witness need not be written down in order to be true. They can be the general perception of others about an individual. There is for instance the incident where she attacked a delivery man witnessed by others. She obviously had violent tempers. But Jeremy have absolutely no history of violence.

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« Reply #208 on: July 23, 2014, 09:01:PM »
And now show me where Jeremy had a history of violence.

I have no need to.  He killed to inherit money.  There is no requirment to have a hsitory of violence to kill for money and indeed most people who do so have no prior history of violence.

You in contrast are alleging Sheila was prone to violence and killed her family while having delusions and then killed herself.

You have the burden of proving she was violent but you failed miserably. 

Not only can't you establish she was likely to engage in violence against her family if she had delusions, worse yet you can't prove she would be likely to have delusions since she was not only medicated but over medicated.  She delusions in the past when she wasn't medicated which happnes to be when all with mental illness are at risk.

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« Reply #209 on: July 23, 2014, 09:10:PM »
 In order to carry out murder,there HAS to be a high level of violence within that person. Or insanity !