Jeremy Bambers Injuries

[susan]

Hi Grahame

think you maybe thinking of crows

[grahameb]

Hi Grahame

think you maybe thinking of crows

Then they've got the wrong culprits Susan?

[Caroline]

Hi Caroline we are the same in the Highlands people come from far away to shoot innocent birds for pleasure talk about the glorious 12th

I know, I hate it, poor things!! Alfie likes to chase the birds through the heather - I love the sound they make, it's like a 'chuckle' (or is it a cough?  )

[susan]

Caroline guess it is a cry for help guess poor Alfie would not know what to do with one if he caught one 

[susan]

Grahame I love crows very cunning clever birds farmers shoot them all the time in my area

[scipio_usmc]

What makes you think Sheila did that? I doubt that the rifle would kick back in that fashion. Neither would she hold it like that to smash it over Ralph's head. Most likely she would be holding the barrel end to do that? Also maybe there was a fault and therefore a weak point in the structure of the rifle butt that made the end break off like it did? But as with other things we of course weren't there so we don't actually know what happened?

The gun is too heavy and unweildy to hold from the barrel the weight is all in the back of the weapon.    Aside from cutting/scratching herself on the sights she would likely drop it allowing Nevill to grab it from her or pick it up.  She would probably chip or break her nails even more trying to do that including them cutting her. The gun would also whack her as it left her grip leaving some kind of mark on her face or somewhere else.

You have to hold the weapon from the middle to effectively use it as a hammer and swing it instead of using a butt stroke.  In any event trying to wield it as a hammer or axe would cause the stock to break in a different manner or worse would cause the barrel to break.  The stock is only attached by one screw (the one the trigger guard attaches to the stock with.  But for the screw the stock can be pulled off.  The metal receiver has a cone shaped projection off the rear. The stock has a round hole and slides on this cone.  To prevent it from sliding off the screw the trigger guard attaches with holds it in.  If you bash the gun very hard while holding it from the barrel there are 2 possibilities.

1) the barrel bends or even breaks free from the receiver.  If it beds the gun needs to be repaired it will not fire right anymore. 

2) the stock cracks in the area where it slides onto the metal cone. 

Take a bic pen pretend the pen is rifle barrel.  Stick the pen in between your thumb and index finger of your right hand.  Hold it tight.  Now with your left hand bend the pen up or down.  What happens?  The pen starts bending.  Also it starts to pull out from your fingers. 



Note how there is only a tiny portion of th ebarrel that slides into the receiver.  Holding the weapon from the barrale and bashing it like a sledge hammer coudl cause the small part of the barrel that slides into the receiver to break free in which case the gun is going to be in 2 parts.  The receiver and stock being one half and what you see in the photo being the other half. If it doesn't break free instead the metal coudl bend in which case if you try firing it will misfire.

What if the pen is instead treated as the conical projection that sticks off of the receiver and your hand slides around it and acts as the stock?  The more force the more it makes your hand move away from it.  Your hand would be wood and would crack from the inside out.  It would first crack from around the conical projection.

That is not what happened to the murder wepaon.  A split occurred that caused part to sheer off and it was caused by the front of the stock hitting against the metal receiver as would occur when the butt of the stock is used to bash someone of something with a butt stroke like I showed in the prior photo.

 

[Alias]

The gun is too heavy and unweildy to hold from the barrel the weight is all in the back of the weapon.    Aside from cutting/scratching herself on the sights she would likely drop it allowing Nevill to grab it from her or pick it up.  She would probably chip or break her nails even more trying to do that including them cutting her. The gun would also whack her as it left her grip leaving some kind of mark on her face or somewhere else.

You have to hold the weapon from the middle to effectively use it as a hammer and swing it instead of using a butt stroke.  In any event trying to wield it as a hammer or axe would cause the stock to break in a different manner or worse would cause the barrel to break.  The stock is only attached by one screw (the one the trigger guard attaches to the stock with.  But for the screw the stock can be pulled off.  The metal receiver has a cone shaped projection off the rear. The stock has a round hole and slides on this cone.  To prevent it from sliding off the screw the trigger guard attaches with holds it in.  If you bash the gun very hard while holding it from the barrel there are 2 possibilities.

1) the barrel bends or even breaks free from the receiver.  If it beds the gun needs to be repaired it will not fire right anymore. 

2) the stock cracks in the area where it slides onto the metal cone. 

Take a bic pen pretend the pen is rifle barrel.  Stick the pen in between your thumb and index finger of your right hand.  Hold it tight.  Now with your left hand bend the pen up or down.  What happens?  The pen starts bending.  Also it starts to pull out from your fingers. 



Note how there is only a tiny portion of th ebarrel that slides into the receiver.  Holding the weapon from the barrale and bashing it like a sledge hammer coudl cause the small part of the barrel that slides into the receiver to break free in which case the gun is going to be in 2 parts.  The receiver and stock being one half and what you see in the photo being the other half. If it doesn't break free instead the metal coudl bend in which case if you try firing it will misfire.

What if the pen is instead treated as the conical projection that sticks off of the receiver and your hand slides around it and acts as the stock?  The more force the more it makes your hand move away from it.  Your hand would be wood and would crack from the inside out.  It would first crack from around the conical projection.

That is not what happened to the murder wepaon.  A split occurred that caused part to sheer off and it was caused by the front of the stock hitting against the metal receiver as would occur when the butt of the stock is used to bash someone of something with a butt stroke like I showed in the prior photo.

You keep guessing.

[scipio_usmc]

You keep guessing.

On the contray unlike you and most here I actually thought about th eissue before I actually concluded what to believe.

The guesses are from peopel who claim Sheila would have wielded it like a sledge hammer which demonstrates know knowledge at all about guns period. 

You didn't even read what I wrote to try to evaluate it. 

Look mentioned how she has to be craeful not to break her nails.  SHeila in a rage woudl nto be careful nor accustomed to using a rifle to bash anyone.  She would Find it difficult to bash anyone holding it form the barrle and have it easily taken away.  Worse the sights would cut her.  If she did wield it hard the gun would have been damaged differently and so woudl she.

People who insist she woudl have been able to do it woithout getting hurt an dwithout getting any bask spatter on her are either the dumbest people on the planet or simply too dishonest to face facts because they so desperately want to pretend Jeremy could be innocent.

[Alias]

On the contray unlike you and most here I actually thought about th eissue before I actually concluded what to believe.

The guesses are from peopel who claim Sheila would have wielded it like a sledge hammer which demonstrates know knowledge at all about guns period. 

You didn't even read what I wrote to try to evaluate it. 

Look mentioned how she has to be craeful not to break her nails.  SHeila in a rage woudl nto be careful nor accustomed to using a rifle to bash anyone.  She would Find it difficult to bash anyone holding it form the barrle and have it easily taken away.  Worse the sights would cut her.  If she did wield it hard the gun would have been damaged differently and so woudl she.

People who insist she woudl have been able to do it woithout getting hurt an dwithout getting any bask spatter on her are either the dumbest people on the planet or simply too dishonest to face facts because they so desperately want to pretend Jeremy could be innocent.

You are an arrogant p...., aren´t you just!
I am a fast reader, I did read your post. This coming from you is rich! You NEVER read what people write and mix us all up! LOL, too funny!
Maybe Lookout has to be careful not to break her nails - I don´t, my nails do not break; but you choose to pretend Sheila had a certain type of nails, which suit your puspose. You are guessing.

[grahameb]

Grahame I love crows very cunning clever birds farmers shoot them all the time in my area

Every wood around here seems to be a "shooting wood". The farmers shoot and hang Jays from trees in order to discourage them from stealing the pheasant eggs. Why does every wood need to be a shooting wood? I hate killing animals. Except of course when get sharknados.

[grahameb]

The gun is too heavy and unweildy to hold from the barrel the weight is all in the back of the weapon.    Aside from cutting/scratching herself on the sights she would likely drop it allowing Nevill to grab it from her or pick it up.  She would probably chip or break her nails even more trying to do that including them cutting her. The gun would also whack her as it left her grip leaving some kind of mark on her face or somewhere else.

You have to hold the weapon from the middle to effectively use it as a hammer and swing it instead of using a butt stroke.  In any event trying to wield it as a hammer or axe would cause the stock to break in a different manner or worse would cause the barrel to break.  The stock is only attached by one screw (the one the trigger guard attaches to the stock with.  But for the screw the stock can be pulled off.  The metal receiver has a cone shaped projection off the rear. The stock has a round hole and slides on this cone.  To prevent it from sliding off the screw the trigger guard attaches with holds it in.  If you bash the gun very hard while holding it from the barrel there are 2 possibilities.

1) the barrel bends or even breaks free from the receiver.  If it beds the gun needs to be repaired it will not fire right anymore. 

2) the stock cracks in the area where it slides onto the metal cone. 

Take a bic pen pretend the pen is rifle barrel.  Stick the pen in between your thumb and index finger of your right hand.  Hold it tight.  Now with your left hand bend the pen up or down.  What happens?  The pen starts bending.  Also it starts to pull out from your fingers. 



Note how there is only a tiny portion of th ebarrel that slides into the receiver.  Holding the weapon from the barrale and bashing it like a sledge hammer coudl cause the small part of the barrel that slides into the receiver to break free in which case the gun is going to be in 2 parts.  The receiver and stock being one half and what you see in the photo being the other half. If it doesn't break free instead the metal coudl bend in which case if you try firing it will misfire.

What if the pen is instead treated as the conical projection that sticks off of the receiver and your hand slides around it and acts as the stock?  The more force the more it makes your hand move away from it.  Your hand would be wood and would crack from the inside out.  It would first crack from around the conical projection.

That is not what happened to the murder wepaon.  A split occurred that caused part to sheer off and it was caused by the front of the stock hitting against the metal receiver as would occur when the butt of the stock is used to bash someone of something with a butt stroke like I showed in the prior photo.

Excuse me mate but the gun is so light it could be handled easily by a child. Please don't give the impression that it is so heavy that only Rambo could shoot the thing. Man you must be incredibly weak?

[grahameb]

On the contray unlike you and most here I actually thought about th eissue before I actually concluded what to believe.

The guesses are from peopel who claim Sheila would have wielded it like a sledge hammer which demonstrates know knowledge at all about guns period. 

You didn't even read what I wrote to try to evaluate it. 

Look mentioned how she has to be craeful not to break her nails.  SHeila in a rage woudl nto be careful nor accustomed to using a rifle to bash anyone.  She would Find it difficult to bash anyone holding it form the barrle and have it easily taken away.  Worse the sights would cut her.  If she did wield it hard the gun would have been damaged differently and so woudl she.

People who insist she woudl have been able to do it woithout getting hurt an dwithout getting any bask spatter on her are either the dumbest people on the planet or simply too dishonest to face facts because they so desperately want to pretend Jeremy could be innocent.

If you read Vanesis he actually says her nightdress was spotted with blood. It was not entirely free from blood on the front of it.

[scipio_usmc]

You are an arrogant p...., aren´t you just!
I am a fast reader, I did read your post. This coming from you is rich! You NEVER read what people write and mix us all up! LOL, too funny!
Maybe Lookout has to be careful not to break her nails - I don´t, my nails do not break; but you choose to pretend Sheila had a certain type of nails, which suit your puspose. You are guessing.

I not only read what others write I actually address it. 

I'm not arrogant I actually use my brain, something that others should try to do.

You are guided purely by emotion and bias not any common sense at all.

Your claim you know your nails would not break is pure speculation based on not actually trying to beat anyone or do anything rough. You just assume it without having a clue what is actually entailed and suggest that all women could be like that and thus there is no way to tell what will happen.  I saw a female rip her nail by firing a weapon.  She was clowning around and her finger slipped and shen she pulled her finger to fire her nail hit the trigger instead of her finger.  I doubt your nails would hold up any better than hers under those conditions.  Sheila firing wildly in a rage very well could have done the same thing.

Women with long nails have to slowly carefully load magazines or they get chipped.

Women with long nails break their nails using shovels, picks, hammers, baesball bats even brooms. 

They not only break them during fights when they punch and scratch and slap hands also get abrasions and cuts during such including male hands.

There is a reason why women who undergo military training do not have long nails.  Nails break during all sorts of activities from hand to hand combat to rope climbing to loading and firing weapons and using their weapon to batter an enemy!   

There are countless ways one's hands get injured while fighting an opponent and battering him with a rifle. 

You clearly have no experience at all with weapons.  On the other hand I not only know what a pain that would be to hold a weapon by the barrel, I know how easy it is to disarm someone who is holding it by a barrel.

I also know how and where a stock is most likely to break when beating someone with a rifle.  I know because of experience in addition to research.

I also know that iron sights can cut and scratch.  The iron sights would be right under her hands.  What happens when she is swinging it and hits someonthing or worse someone yanks the gun the iron sights are going to come into contact with her hands and cause her to let go probably in addition to cutting her.

I also know that if someone walks in the kitchen holding the gun and then someone tries to take it away the shooter is not goign to let go so the other person gets it and then try to grab the barrel. You are going to keep holding the stock and the foregrip which is how you would have held it to begin with.   You are going to try to swing the butt into the other person's jaw or if they are too tall then into their abdomen.

The fact of the matter is that you and others put very little thought into the subject at all beyond what amounts to a pathetic claim your nails will never break or chip no matter and completely ignores the nature of the break to the stock, how the weapon would most likely be handled and all the rest.

To try to say there was no damage to the hand when the stock sheered the claim is made up that she would have been holding it by the lightest part which would be extremely hard to handle and woudl fail to account for the damage that occurred.

The notion she would have been able to beat Nevill without having any injuries including on her feet is simply ludicrous to anyone with a clue.

Likewise she would have been covered in spatter from the victims had she done anything. 

She would have had spatter from the victims and GSR on her clothing.  There is no way she could have avoided such.   

There is no reason at all she would have washed and changed her clothes just to kill herself.  It is ludicrous and the best anyone can come to as far as suggesting suicide "victims" who did such is ritualistic suicide which clealry is not the case.  But worse whashing up would not be able to heal wounds that she would have suffered.  Worst of all she would not have been able to change out of blood/GSR stained clothing and to have hidden same without anyone finding same let alone had any reason to do such. 

People who honestly believe such are complete fools.  But most just assert they believe such and depp down they don't thye are just liars not fools.

This doesn't even take into acocunt though the evidence that Sheila can't have killed herself which people choose to ignore and hide from with wild tales of police planting evidence and moving her body flat while she was stil lblleeding and openeing and closing the bible in her wet blood because she can't have done these things herself and obviously that means she didn't kill herself so to keep the farce alive she could have killed herself people have to assert absurd things. 

I don't beleive anyone honestly believes the BS they assert here I think that people just want to pretend they do.   If Mike actually believe Jeremy was innocent he would not need to make up lies to try to establish it.

I don't see any sincere beliefs at all what I see is are beliefs people wish they could have and trying any way possible to avoid having to face that their beliefs are a pipedream. 

If that pipedream is burst then they have to find a different dream and something else to regularly talk about. That would be a catastrophe to many.

 

 

[Patti]

Not if you have showered and changed clothes and cadaverine forms during purification so wouldn't be relevant in this case. If guilty, he would certainly have cleaned himself up.

Hi Caroline

I don't think that is correct the cadaver lingers whether an item of clothing has been through the washer or not. They say the dogs can smell cadaver some 100 years later...not the same dog...Hey I am digging an hole lol 

[Caroline]

Hi Caroline

I don't think that is correct the cadaver lingers whether an item of clothing has been through the washer or not. They say the dogs can smell cadaver some 100 years later...not the same dog...Hey I am digging an hole lol 

cadaverine forms during purification - that could hardly have occurred in the short time between shooting the victims and leaving the premises. Not sure about the 100 years theory but I won't be trying to replicate the notion this time!!