Jeremy Bambers Injuries

[grahameb]

The family, farm workers and even Julie said that he didn't like the idea of shooting rabbits and thus the suggestion he took the gun out to do so was odd.

Pargeter did not contradict this at all, Pargeter said that Jeremy had no interest in guns in the past but recently had taken an interest in his gun and had shot targets with Pargeter.  They shared Pargeter's gun while shooting targets. 

Showing an interest in target shooting with Pargeter doesn't help support his tale that he got the gun out to shoot rabbits.  It also tends to suggest that his motive for getting Nevill to buy the gun was so he could use it to murder the family with it.

He was using Pargeter's gun for target shooting with him, they would share it.  He claimed he was going to get his own gun.  What gun did he want?  A 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun with a 5 round magazine.  Is that suitable for target shooting?  No it would be for game but he didn't shoot game when he was with Anthony or anyone else and Nevill already had a 12 gauge shotgun but it only held 2 rounds.  Why did he want a semi-auto and one that held 5 rounds?  Because 5 rounds available is much better for murdering because what if after 2 rounds they are not dead and attack him?   

The only semi-auto he could talk Nevill into was a .22 (purchased Nov 30, 1984). If he wanted a gun for target shooting a 22 should have been his first choice not the shotgun.   It was 8 months old when Anthony found and used the murder weapon and it looked like it was brand new.  Suggestions by Jeremy that it was used daily to shoot rabbits clearly was BS, if Nevill did use it to shoot rabbits then it was sparingly. He probably still preferred his 410s for such.   

Jeremy had his father buy the weapon so he could kill the family with it, he would not even pay for the murder weapon himself.   

Sheila was at WHF various times after the gun was purchased but the first time the boys stayed over after its purchase was in August 1985. So it was his first chance to kill the entire lot of them together.   

What is more odd is that he told people that he took the gun out, (1) when he had a perfectly good alibi in that because he expressed no interest in guns it couldn't have been him. (2) Then he wouldn't invent a story of his father had phoned him because he didn't need to. So doesn't it seem odd to you that he had the choice of two alibis that he failed to use?
But of course the real oddity is that (3) whilst they testified that he expressed no interest in guns that didn't stop them from suspecting him right from the beginning. But of course RWB did say that he destested him.

[scipio_usmc]

What is more odd is that he told people that he took the gun out, (1) when he had a perfectly good alibi in that because he expressed no interest in guns it couldn't have been him. (2) Then he wouldn't invent a story of his father had phoned him because he didn't need to. So doesn't it seem odd to you that he had the choice of two alibis that he failed to use?
But of course the real oddity is that (3) whilst they testified that he expressed no interest in guns that didn't stop them from suspecting him right from the beginning. But of course RWB did say that he destested him.

He invented the story he did to cast extra suspicion on Sheila and to try to have an alibi.

How would the fact he didn't like to shoot rabbits help him?  In the meantime their testimony was all of a sudden he became interested in guns asking about getting a semi-auto shotgun and having Anthony allow him to use his gun to shoot targets. 

Had the body been found the next day his alibi would be he was asleep alone- not much of an alibi.

The calll story cast suspicion on Sheila and estbalished him at home to receive the call. 

The lie about tkaing the gun out to shoot rabbits and leaving it and th ebullets out was to establish there was a wepaon of opportunity available because Sheila would not have gone to seek it out herself and if she had then the gun would have had the moderator and scope attached.

[grahameb]

He invented the story he did to cast extra suspicion on Sheila and to try to have an alibi.

How would the fact he didn't like to shoot rabbits help him?  In the meantime their testimony was all of a sudden he became interested in guns asking about getting a semi-auto shotgun and having Anthony allow him to use his gun to shoot targets. 

Had the body been found the next day his alibi would be he was asleep alone- not much of an alibi.

The calll story cast suspicion on Sheila and estbalished him at home to receive the call. 

The lie about tkaing the gun out to shoot rabbits and leaving it and th ebullets out was to establish there was a wepaon of opportunity available because Sheila would not have gone to seek it out herself and if she had then the gun would have had the moderator and scope attached.

Well everyone else was asleep as well. I wonder if their alibis were checked out. In fact we may enquire where each of them were the night before the silencer was allegedly found?
Why invent the rabbit story if it was so stupid that no one would believe it? Sorry, but this doesn't sound like someone who had been planning this thing for a year.

[scipio_usmc]

Well everyone else was asleep as well. I wonder if their alibis were checked out. In fact we may enquire where each of them were the night before the silencer was allegedly found?
Why invent the rabbit story if it was so stupid that no one would believe it? Sorry, but this doesn't sound like someone who had been planning this thing for a year.

Who would suspicion fall on if it were clear someone went there and murdered them all?

Squarely on Jeremy which is why instead he tried to place suspicion on Sheila.

 

[grahameb]

Who would suspicion fall on if it were clear someone went there and murdered them all?

Squarely on Jeremy which is why instead he tried to place suspicion on Sheila.

Of course it wouldn't you idiot. Don't be a twit. I thought at least that you would have a modicum of common sense even in that very biased mind of yours.

[scipio_usmc]

Of course it wouldn't you idiot. Don't be a twit. I thought at least that you would have a modicum of common sense even in that very biased mind of yours.

You seem to have anger issues in addition to a lack of any sense at all.  Trying to deny that he would be the prime suspect is hilarious.  Who would have a reason to kill everyone in the house evne the kids?  The person who benefits most would be him.  Establishing a benefit for someone else like Colin would be much more tenuous but surely the main initial suspect would be Jeremy. 

[grahameb]

You seem to have anger issues in addition to a lack of any sense at all.  Trying to deny that he would be the prime suspect is hilarious.  Who would have a reason to kill everyone in the house evne the kids?  The person who benefits most would be him.  Establishing a benefit for someone else like Colin would be much more tenuous but surely the main initial suspect would be Jeremy.

No not really. Just an incapacity to suffer fools gladly.

[guest154]

When it became clear that Sheila wasn't responsible, I think Jeremy would have been the suspect - because the house was locked. They would begin to look at who was able to access the house and leave it in that condition. Plus, Jeremy had been there until 10/10:30 - I don't see what the chances are of someone else arriving at WHF after that time to murder everyone yet only using the guns in the house and not their own weapon.

[scipio_usmc]

When it became clear that Sheila wasn't responsible, I think Jeremy would have been the suspect - because the house was locked. They would begin to look at who was able to access the house and leave it in that condition. Plus, Jeremy had been there until 10/10:30 - I don't see what the chances are of someone else arriving at WHF after that time to murder everyone yet only using the guns in the house and not their own weapon.

Upon realizing no one in the house did it the inquiry becomes who did.  The first thing they look at to determine who is why they were killed.  The motive helps determine who did it.  Hence why you look at whether it was a robbery or what have you.  But robbers don't usually kill eveyrone in a house especially not in bed.  If people don't wake up and thus can't ID them there is no reason to kill hem.  Moreover using a gun from the house for such would not make sense. Hence why staging it as a robbery would have been dicey.  That is why he selected blaming Sheila. Her mentla state make her a convenient scapegoat.

Vanezis said two things very prescient, the killer had to be quite skilled with the weapon to not miss a single time and that if Sheila did not do it then Jeremy did.

Grahame disagrees but Grahame consistently demonstrates his opinions are all absurd and baseless so not really of any value.

[mertol22]

Who locked the house and what time.

[scipio_usmc]

Who locked the house and what time.

We don't know if the house was locked.  DCI Jones might not have actually tested every window like he claims because the bathroom window was unlocked (though not opened) when police checked everything before elaving.  WHy would a cop unlock the window but not open it?  The windows touched by cops had been touched to open them.

If the windows were all locked and Jeremy did not use a ladder then he used the kitchen window and locked it before he fled the murder scene.  The housekeeper testifed that the items in the kitchen sink had been removed and placed to the side.  The prosecution suggested that it was removed so Jeremy coudl then climb out through that window and lock it fromt he outside as the family figured out was possible and as he told Julie was possible thus proving he knew about it.

[tyler]

0h dear Scipio. The windows were all closed apart from a small window in the main bedroom. All doors locked and bolted apart from the kitchen door which had no bolts but was locked with the key found still in the lock on the inside. The police later took responsibility for the items around the kitchen sink being moved and the watery blood AE spotted on the glass of the kitchen window,whilst cleaning up the scene.

[tyler]

Oh,and the raid team opened a window as a form of escape should it be needed.

[scipio_usmc]

0h dear Scipio. The windows were all closed apart from a small window in the main bedroom. All doors locked and bolted apart from the kitchen door which had no bolts but was locked with the key found still in the lock on the inside. The police later took responsibility for the items around the kitchen sink being moved and the watery blood AE spotted on the glass of the kitchen window,whilst cleaning up the scene.

They don't know for sure that the bathroom window was locked when they entered.  No one opened the bathroom window at any time that anyone is aware of so ther eis no way to know it was really locked.

The police did not take credit for the items in the sink according to the Dickinson Report so if you disagree post the statement of the cop who took credit.

[tyler]

Yes,I'm afraid the Police DID admit moving the items around the sink whilst cleaning up. And I wasn't aware that the windows had locks fitted to them?