Jeremy Bambers Injuries

[Caroline]

He was so paranoid of being seen going to and from WHF in th emiddle fo the night that he planned to use a bike.  He was so paranoid of them waking up and using the phone to call authorities before he could successfully kill them that he removed the phone fromt he bedroom in advance.

Apparently he didn't know about blood spatter and was not paranoid about blood evidence though.

How ridiculous!! According to the relatives there was blood on the OUTSIDE of the silencer and yet he didn't bother to look at it and clean the outside before returning it to the gun cupboard? Presumably he wasn't blind and was cunning enough to move phones etc. but didn't think to rub the silencer to remove any traces of blood? 

[Jan]

He was so paranoid of being seen going to and from WHF in th emiddle fo the night that he planned to use a bike.  He was so paranoid of them waking up and using the phone to call authorities before he could successfully kill them that he removed the phone fromt he bedroom in advance.

Apparently he didn't know about blood spatter and was not paranoid about blood evidence though.

?? The police discounted the bike as evidence - and as I stated before the police could have suspected him earlier or have him under observation so he must have had plans to get rid of all the evidence within a very SHORT time of the murders - and yet he was not so paranoid that he could not stand there so calmly in front of the police - knowing he had all that evidence to get rid of.

[JackiePreece]

Scipio

Correct me if I am wrong but haven't we been led to believe that Jeremy father fought for his life but Jeremy didn't have a mark on him.

Julie would definitely have known because she was sleeping with him immediately after he is supposed to have murdered his whole family??

[lookout]

And let's face it,JM didn't miss a trick !

[mertol22]

The clothes Jeremy worn the day before the events  im sure would have been worn or some worn the next day so highly unlikely any all of a sudden gone missing  so the police had plenty of time to look around I bet worn garments make up a large portion of any conviction  how many times you hear  he was wearing a so so top and trousers  so any injuries received would have left their mark somewhere  this was 20th Century investigation methods not 19th.

[grahameb]

?? The police discounted the bike as evidence - and as I stated before the police could have suspected him earlier or have him under observation so he must have had plans to get rid of all the evidence within a very SHORT time of the murders - and yet he was not so paranoid that he could not stand there so calmly in front of the police - knowing he had all that evidence to get rid of.

Yes they kept bringing it up didn't they. I wonder if they knew that it was all conceived in the head of RWB?

[grahameb]

Scipio

Correct me if I am wrong but haven't we been led to believe that Jeremy father fought for his life but Jeremy didn't have a mark on him.

Julie would definitely have known because she was sleeping with him immediately after he is supposed to have murdered his whole family??

We've been over all that Jackie. But scipio appears to have selective hearing?

[JackiePreece]

Grahame did Mugford give police any information about Jeremy having any injuries?  There is no way Jeremy could have been involved in a battle with Neville and not had a mark on him

Is there anything in police statements on this forum?

[scipio_usmc]

How ridiculous!! According to the relatives there was blood on the OUTSIDE of the silencer and yet he didn't bother to look at it and clean the outside before returning it to the gun cupboard? Presumably he wasn't blind and was cunning enough to move phones etc. but didn't think to rub the silencer to remove any traces of blood? 

What they thought was blood pn the outside could have been paint.

At any rate he assumed they would never look for it or figure out it was used.  If he was aware of the blood then he obviously assumed police would be as dumb as his supporters and not look for it and if they did find it to just assume it is animal blood.  He had no idea that it would be able to prove Sheila didn't kill herself.  He had no clue about drawback.

At first police were as dumb as he hoped and bought his story that he left the rifle out without it attached so never bothered to even look for it. Even after it was found police thought the only vlaue would be fingerprints.  The lab came up with the argument about drawback proving that Sheila used it and coudl not have killed herself not police.     

[guest154]

Grahame did Mugford give police any information about Jeremy having any injuries?  There is no way Jeremy could have been involved in a battle with Neville and not had a mark on him

Is there anything in police statements on this forum?

Yet Sheila could? 

[JackiePreece]

Two different scenarios

If the struggle involved an attack with Sheila I cannot believe Neville would have hit back because of Sheila's serious condition.

If the struggle involved Jeremy I believe his father would have fought back

[Caroline]

What they thought was blood pn the outside could have been paint.

At any rate he assumed they would never look for it or figure out it was used.  If he was aware of the blood then he obviously assumed police would be as dumb as his supporters and not look for it and if they did find it to just assume it is animal blood.  He had no idea that it would be able to prove Sheila didn't kill herself.  He had no clue about drawback.

At first police were as dumb as he hoped and bought his story that he left the rifle out without it attached so never bothered to even look for it. Even after it was found police thought the only vlaue would be fingerprints.  The lab came up with the argument about drawback proving that Sheila used it and coudl not have killed herself not police.   

Sorry, thought you only dealt in evidence? You know nothing of what he 'thought' but ANYONE who was cunning enough to switch phones around (as you have suggested) wouldn't be dumb enough to put something used on the murder weapon back in a cupboard without wiping it first. Further, he didn't even need to put it back, he could have simply unscrewed it and dropped it on the floor next to Sheila. The silencer wasn't used!

[scipio_usmc]

Scipio

Correct me if I am wrong but haven't we been led to believe that Jeremy father fought for his life but Jeremy didn't have a mark on him.

Julie would definitely have known because she was sleeping with him immediately after he is supposed to have murdered his whole family??

His father tried to wrestle the gun away.  He had a broken arm so limited use of his left arm during such endeavor.  Jeremy would have been unlikely to have been wouded from Nevill trying to strike him since Nevill was busy trying to take the rifle away.  The gratest chance of injury was from the rifle stock breaking that was the event most likely to cause a noticeable wound the killer.  To a lesser entext punching Nevill would result to marks on the hand though again gloves would mitigate that a great deal as well as mitigate the damage from the broken stock.

Jeremy used gloves Sheila would not have.  So Sheila is the one who would have greater visible damage had she been the one who fought Nevill moreover she had long nails that would break during this while Jeremy did not.

At any rate Jeremy was not closely inspected while Sheila's body was. 

[scipio_usmc]

The clothes Jeremy worn the day before the events  im sure would have been worn or some worn the next day so highly unlikely any all of a sudden gone missing  so the police had plenty of time to look around I bet worn garments make up a large portion of any conviction  how many times you hear  he was wearing a so so top and trousers  so any injuries received would have left their mark somewhere  this was 20th Century investigation methods not 19th.

The police did not look through his clothes until weeks later.  By that time he had plenty of time to soak the in bleach or throw them out.

[grahameb]

His father tried to wrestle the gun away.  He had a broken arm so limited use of his left arm during such endeavor.  Jeremy would have been unlikely to have been wouded from Nevill trying to strike him since Nevill was busy trying to take the rifle away.  The gratest chance of injury was from the rifle stock breaking that was the event most likely to cause a noticeable wound the killer.  To a lesser entext punching Nevill would result to marks on the hand though again gloves would mitigate that a great deal as well as mitigate the damage from the broken stock.

Jeremy used gloves Sheila would not have.  So Sheila is the one who would have greater visible damage had she been the one who fought Nevill moreover she had long nails that would break during this while Jeremy did not.

At any rate Jeremy was not closely inspected while Sheila's body was.

Mugford slept with him every night. If there were any injuries then she would have noticed them.