The Last Trailer

[grahameb]

They did spend lots of money Susan but really to no avail but I suppose when you have to put an appeal together, you have to looks at anything that might be relevant. Personally (and it's only my opinion), I don't think the marks are related.

I feel for the people who faithfully donated the £20,000 for the tests. I wonder if Jeremy is truly grateful to these people? I hope so.

[susan]

Caroline I know other people feel the marks were not related to the murders so maybe they are right.  It is strange they are circles one under the other don't see how they could get there without being inflicted by some other person  very strange indeed.

[susan]

April you are right and in any case it would have been dreadful for the family to die knowing it was one of their children who they had brought up and shown kindness to that was responsible I cannot even think about their last thoughts and whoever carried out these murders must have had some kind of mental disorder and it was either Jeremy or Sheila and I am now beginning to think it was Jeremy

[Jan]

Hi Caroline your story is well thought out and very credible but how did Jeremy overcome three adults and manage to shoot Sheila in the neck twice these are things that bug me I can put him at the scene quite easily but how he managed to kill them all really does puzzle me.  Can you help here and give me your take on it.  The marks on Ralphs back why? was this to make it look like Sheila had carried out the murders.  Would he then after killing his entire family take Ralph's wallet from his pocket and count the money and put it back knowing he could collect it next day.  I have always thought Jeremy Bamber was quite devious and capable of committing a crime the fact he broke into the caravan park tells me he was a man without a soul the fact he would steal from his own who were so good to him.

I will read this in more detail later but have to disagree about the crime on the caravan park. My niece was the most cosseted and spoilt young girl. But she stole a lot of money from her parents.  For more attention and because she was confused about her boundaries?  I am not really sure?. But  now she is a lovely young girl. He may have been arrogant and stupid but I don't think it means he has not got a soul.

[Caroline]

Caroline I know other people feel the marks were not related to the murders so maybe they are right.  It is strange they are circles one under the other don't see how they could get there without being inflicted by some other person  very strange indeed.

He may have leaned against some kind of machinery on the farm, but who knows. They weren't made much of at the time and I would have thought that Venezis would be able to tell if they were fresh wounds or old scars?

[susan]

Hi jansus  sorry I should have used the word conscience not soul and I tend to think as I would be and could not have stolen one penny off my parents even for attention but we are all different just think it was a strange thing for him to do considering he was short of nothing just my opinion jansus.

[Adam]

Hi Caroline your story is well thought out and very credible but how did Jeremy overcome three adults and manage to shoot Sheila in the neck twice these are things that bug me I can put him at the scene quite easily but how he managed to kill them all really does puzzle me.  Can you help here and give me your take on it.  The marks on Ralphs back why? was this to make it look like Sheila had carried out the murders.  Would he then after killing his entire family take Ralph's wallet from his pocket and count the money and put it back knowing he could collect it next day.  I have always thought Jeremy Bamber was quite devious and capable of committing a crime the fact he broke into the caravan park tells me he was a man without a soul the fact he would steal from his own who were so good to him.

I have already explained how Jeremy could have killed three adults.

In short. They were in bed. Asleep. Jeremy had a rifle and 11 bullets.

[lookout]

Maybe the marks appeared at the same time as Junes' black eye,which was done leading up to the tragedy.

[susan]

Adam I know you have don't be on the defensive always good to get a second opinion and a third if available.  Not sure I am buying into this at the moment for reasons I cannot disclose.

[Patti]

Well........ :D

Lets rewind....There is something about the phone calls that is bugging me. 

Caroline you say BW said that NB sounded angry....can we have the actual words she said please.

BW phoned prior to PB but PB said everything was OK except that Sheila was very quiet and suddenly she went to bed..Did she go to bed? Was June covering for her as mothers do...and June knew that Sheila did not want to talk to her aunt. 

The bit about Sheila living at Goldhanger comes from Jeremy himself....and at no point did he discuss or were asked for that matter what he thought of that suggestion or where he was going to live if Sheila moved into his house.   June never mentioned this to anyone she only told her sister that they thought Sheila would benefit from an holiday.

The last load...well, if Jeremy did do the last load then he risked being seen by those that lived in the cottages on the farm....

I can relate to the killer already being inside and its possible that this could have been the case but it wasn't Jeremy...in my opinion it was someone else and I don't believe it was Sheila either.

Jeremy had taken a bank loan out his money was disappearing fast...what happened to the money from the bank?  Did Essex police look into this? So many questions on every scenario.

How could one person have shot 3 adults? Well it stands to reason that not one them stood a chance with a gun pointing at them. Come any closer and I will shoot...

I still search for the truth. 

[Caroline]

Well........ :D

Lets rewind....There is something about the phone calls that is bugging me. 

Caroline you say BW said that NB sounded angry....can we have the actual words she said please.

BW phoned prior to PB but PB said everything was OK except that Sheila was very quiet and suddenly she went to bed..Did she go to bed? Was June covering for her as mothers do...and June knew that Sheila did not want to talk to her aunt. 

The bit about Sheila living at Goldhanger comes from Jeremy himself....and at no point did he discuss or were asked for that matter what he thought of that suggestion or where he was going to live if Sheila moved into his house.   June never mentioned this to anyone she only told her sister that they thought Sheila would benefit from an holiday.

The last load...well, if Jeremy did do the last load then he risked being seen by those that lived in the cottages on the farm....

I can relate to the killer already being inside and its possible that this could have been the case but it wasn't Jeremy...in my opinion it was someone else and I don't believe it was Sheila either.

Jeremy had taken a bank loan out his money was disappearing fast...what happened to the money from the bank?  Did Essex police look into this? So many questions on every scenario.

How could one person have shot 3 adults? Well it stands to reason that not one them stood a chance with a gun pointing at them. Come any closer and I will shoot...

I still search for the truth. 

Those were the actual words she used she said she thought he sounded 'angry as though he'd been having an argument'

As for being seen by people living in the cottages, I doubt very much that they would be too concerned hearing a tractor drive by during harvest time and would have no reason to check it out but it would also depend which direction the trailer came from.

Don't buy a third party because of the phone call, unless you're referring to something Jeremy was involved in? Personally, I think you would have difficulty finding someone prepared to kill 5 people which included two young boys. There was also a  certain amount of 'overkill' involved in Neville and June's attack which is usually indicative of a close personal relationship between the victim and the perpetrator. 

[Adam]

The truth is straight forward.

But then why does Jeremy protest his innocence ?

Thread already created & discussed.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5358.0.html

[grahameb]

The truth is straight forward.

But then why does Jeremy protest his innocence ?

Thread already created & discussed.

Adam you aren't the be all to end all to everything posted. Don't you see that you have answered questions in only your own eyes, not in the eyes of most on the forum. In spite of your obvious enthusiastic and loquacious essays, not all see you as the last word on the case, but tend to forget your excellent posts far too quickly for their own good and therefore because of their obvious ignorance and exquisit laziness have forgotten what you have written aforehand.

[Jane]

Adam you aren't the be all to end all to everything posted. Don't you see that you have answered questions in only your own eyes, not in the eyes of most on the forum. In spite of your obvious enthusiastic and loquacious essays, not all see you as the last word on the case, but tend to forget your excellent posts far too quickly for their own good and therefore because of their obvious ignorance and exquisit laziness have forgotten what you have written aforehand.

Grahame, you really need to see someone about that swelling in your cheek :D