There was no reason why Sheila should wake: Was there ?

[maggie]

Who has ever mentioned marigolds or wetsuits.

A balaclava, maybe. Farm gloves are probably quite strong and protective.

If Sheila slept through the massacre, which is quite possible, Jeremy had the option of leading or carrying  Sheila.

I suppose he did Adam but I doubt that is how it happened.

[lookout]

Who has ever mentioned marigolds or wetsuits.

A balaclava, maybe. Farm gloves are probably quite strong and protective.

If Sheila slept through the massacre, which is quite possible, Jeremy had the option of leading or carrying  Sheila.

So while Jeremy disposed of his wetsuit,balaclava,marigolds,flippers,etc etc,where there was enough smoke pouring out of the Aga to elect a Pope,,Jeremy rode home-----naked,,on his bicyle on that cold wet night,in the darkness,via the rickety coastline,to quickly answer the call that he'd put through to himself at Goldhanger------------------------sorry,,don't buy it.
Even Roger Banister couldn't have topped that for speed.

[grahameb]

This is a discussion forum. Over the last few months we have established lots of things highlighting Jeremy's guilt.

If Sheila was asleep and not charging around trying to disarm him,  it shows how Jeremy could have the opportunity to shoot her.

In your eyes probably. But if they had been established I would have acknowledged it.

[Adam]

Who said anything about a wetsuit, marigolds and flippers ? 

What has the aga got to do with anything ? 

It would not be hard for the defence to prove Jeremy could not cycle home. They didn't. 

[Adam]

The cycle to/from WHF may not have been as smooth as a road. However to negate this, there was no traffic, traffic lights, people walking across roads etc.

Julie said Jeremy thought it would take 15 minutes. That sounds right for 3 miles off road.

[grahameb]

The cycle to/from WHF may not have been as smooth as a road. However to negate this, there was no traffic, traffic lights, people walking across roads etc.

Julie said Jeremy thought it would take 15 minutes. That sounds right for 3 miles off road.

Debatable Adam?

[Adam]

In your eyes probably. But if they had been established I would have acknowledged it.

You will not even acknowledge expert opinion. Saying experts get it wrong. As well as reporters, the judge, the CCRC etc. The sources I provide are also wrong. Anything that contradicts Jeremy being innocent is wrong.

So I will not be waiting for you're approval.

[grahameb]

You will not even acknowledge expert opinion. Saying experts get if wrong. As well as reporters, the judge, the CCRC etc. The sources I provide are also wrong. Anything that contradicts Jeremy being innocent is wrong.

So I will not be waiting for you're approval.

I acknowledge them. But I don't agree with them. Why? Because neither were they there in order to describe correctly what happened. They like us can only guess at that.

[Adam]

This relates to the 'Sheila being carried' discussion.

Whether people believe she was carried ten feet or not, everyone should agree there was no reason she should wake.

[Alias]

This relates to the 'Sheila being carried' discussion.

Whether people believe she was carried ten feet or not, everyone should agree there was no reason she should wake.

There is every reason she would wake. She was a grown wpman, a mother of two young children, not a child herself. Your suggestion she was carried is absurd!
Why do you think that killers have great difficulty moving the dead body of whomever they killed? Dead weight is HARD to carry! If someone if fast asleep, they are dead weight.
Again: totally absurd.

I don´t know why you keeo this up. Not one other person believes this could have happened.

[Adam]

Her bedroom door may have been shut = No noise.

A silencer was used = No noise.

The twins did not wake = No noise.

June was shot & died in/by the bed = No noise.

Neville & Jeremy went downstairs = Minimal short term noise.

There was a brief but brutal fight = Noise in another part of WHF.

This whole process may have taken less than five minutes. Most of which was noise free = Not enough long term loudness to wake Sheila. Who may have been in a deep sleep as people are at 2.00am. And under sedation according to the 2002 appeal.

[Adam]

There is every reason she would wake. She was a grown wpman, a mother of two young children, not a child herself. Your suggestion she was carried is absurd!
Why do you think that killers have great difficulty moving the dead body of whomever they killed? Dead weight is HARD to carry! If someone if fast asleep, they are dead weight.
Again: totally absurd.

I don´t know why you keeo this up. Not one other person believes this could have happened.

Well we have different opinions on things.

I think you're random stranger / burglar suggestion is ridiculous. Threads created.

Anyway this thread is why Sheila would not wake. Meaning she was lead or carried. However she may have woken and retreated.

[Alias]

Well we have different opinions on things.

I think you're random stranger / burglar suggestion is ridiculous. Threads created.

Anyway this thread is why Sheila would not wake. Meaning she was lead or carried. However she may have woken and retreated.

I have never put forward a random stranger/burglar theory - you just made that up and ran with it.

[Jane]

There is every reason she would wake. She was a grown wpman, a mother of two young children, not a child herself. Your suggestion she was carried is absurd!
Why do you think that killers have great difficulty moving the dead body of whomever they killed? Dead weight is HARD to carry! If someone if fast asleep, they are dead weight.
Again: totally absurd.

I don´t know why you keeo this up. Not one other person believes this could have happened.

It may be that I have an idealized view of what motherhood is about, but from my training and more importantly, from speaking with mothers, it seems that most have a built in alert system which kicks in when their children are about to wake OR are in imminent danger.

[Adam]

I have never put forward a random stranger/burglar theory - you just made that up and ran with it.

You said he had a better option of just leaving the door open and not calling the police.

The devastation inside WHF could then only be from a random stranger/psychopath or burglar.