There was no reason why Sheila should wake: Was there ?

[Adam]

You are still assuming that Jeremy did it. There is nothing to indicate that Sheila was asleep. On the contrary as she was found in her parents bedroom there is every probability that she was awake.

Yes this is a thread about would Sheila wake if Jeremy did it.

My view is if in a moderate/deep sleep, she would not. Certainly if her bedroom door was shut. The twins didn't wake. June was almost certainly shot while asleep. The noise too short term, low and far away.

[Adam]

That is just the problem Adam. I challenge what was accepted and you do not.

You are entitled to challenge what has been presented as proof/facts.  Enjoy.

[grahameb]

Tell me what you think then. I will consider it.

I am going by the evidence presented in court. Neville shot four times upstairs, the twins shot while asleep etc. If you do not believe this happened, let me know.

If you go by that Adam, then you must accept that he was incapacitated when he was hit with the rifle and didn't have the strength to fight back. It would have taken very little strength on the part of the assailant in order to kill Nevill.

[maggie]

Yes this is a thread about would Sheila wake if Jeremy did it.

My view is if in a moderate/deep sleep, she would not. Certainly if her bedroom door was shut. The twins didn't wake. June was almost certainly shot while asleep. The noise too short term, low and far away.

I think maybe banging my head against a wall would hurt less 
THERE IS NO PROOF SHE WAS ASLEEP!!!!!

[Adam]

The judge. After hearing all the evidence in a 19 day trial said Neville put up a tremendous fight for life. This explains the mess in the kitchen. Or was that the bumbling raid team.

It is possible Neville followed Jeremy to the kitchen, to prevent him reloading and returning to kill his family. Lots of life in the old dog yet.

[grahameb]

Yes this is a thread about would Sheila wake if Jeremy did it.

My view is if in a moderate/deep sleep, she would not. Certainly if her bedroom door was shut. The twins didn't wake. June was almost certainly shot while asleep. The noise too short term, low and far away.

Well of course you are entitled to your view. But it doesn't mean it was so.

[grahameb]

You are entitled to challenge what has been presented as proof/facts.  Enjoy.

No Adam they were never proven. If they were proven then I would have no problem with it.

[Adam]

I think maybe banging my head against a wall would hurt less 
THERE IS NO PROOF SHE WAS ASLEEP!!!!!

This is a discussion forum. Over the last few months we have established lots of things highlighting Jeremy's guilt.

If Sheila was asleep and not charging around trying to disarm him,  it shows how Jeremy could have the opportunity to shoot her.

[grahameb]

The judge. After hearing all the evidence in a 19 day trial said Neville put up a tremendous fight for life. This explains the mess in the kitchen. Or was that the bumbling raid team.

It is possible Neville followed Jeremy to the kitchen, to prevent him reloading and returning to kill his family. Lots of life in the old dog yet.

No I think he was a bumbling judge Adam and of course a badly handled defence. It wouldn't have happened if Perry Mason was on the case. 

[Adam]

Perry Mason gets the case resolved in one hour. He talks to a few people. Then has a think before convincing the judge and jury. 

Jeremy's silly defence could not do that in a year. A waste of a lot of money.

[lookout]

 I could have also resolved the case in an hour------------------without implicating Jeremy !

 This case is NOT all about Jeremy !!

[maggie]

This is a discussion forum. Over the last few months we have established lots of things highlighting Jeremy's guilt.

If Sheila was asleep and not charging around trying to disarm him,  it shows how Jeremy could have the opportunity to shoot her.

Adam!!!!  Over the past few months WE have not established anything, you have posted your views and opinions which hardly anyone has agreed with. You have every right to your opinion as The rest of the forum has but with respect pliase believe you are pretty much on your own with your opinions.
I agree IF Jeremy was the murderer, charging round in the dark in wet suit, balaclava and marigold gloves (just as or more rediculous than Sheila charging round) and he came across a deeply sleeping/sedated Sheila there is a possibility he may have been able to carry her to the main bedroom and shoot her while still asleep pretty far fetched but all things are said to be possible.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5436.0.html

[Adam]

Who has ever mentioned marigolds or wetsuits.

A balaclava, maybe. Farm gloves are probably quite strong and protective.

If Sheila slept through the massacre, which is quite possible, Jeremy had the option of leading or carrying  Sheila.

[maggie]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5436.0.html

These are your opinions Adam, don't agree with any of them.