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Offline Adam

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Her bedroom door may have been shut = No noise.

A silencer was used = No noise.

The twins did not wake = No noise.

June was shot & died in/by the bed = No noise.

Neville & Jeremy went downstairs = Minimal short term noise.

There was a brief but brutal fight = Noise in another part of WHF.

This whole process may have taken less than five minutes. Most of which was noise free = Not enough long term loudness to wake Sheila. Who may have been in a deep sleep as people are at 2.00am. And under sedation according to the 2002 appeal.



« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 08:48:PM by Adam »
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Re: There was no reason why Sheila should wake: Was there ?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2014, 08:36:PM »
Her bedroom door may have been shut = No noise.

A silencer was used = No noise.

The twins did not wake = No noise.

June was shot & died in/by the bed = No noise.

Neville & Jeremy went downstairs = Minimal short term noise.

There was a brief but brutal fight = Noise in another part of WHF.

This whole process may have taken less than five minutes. Most of which was noise free = Not enough long term loudness to wake Sheila. Who may have been in a deep sleep. And under sedation.
Adam these are questions that anyone can have their own opinion on. Unfortunately no one is in full possession of the facts. That is why in my own opinion, for what it's worth scenarios can take many forms and conform to the facts as we ourselves see them, but because no one is in full possession of the facts they are what they are, our own concept of what happened.

That is why it is relatively easy to make up different scenarios, some for and some against Jeremy. If we were in full possession of the facts there can only be one interpretation. It has nothing to do with bias, well it does up to a point. But just because someone agrees or disagrees with a certain scenario that does not necessarily mean that they are biased and that is why they do not agree with one or the other?

That is why the audio tapes of the raid team going into WHF would be very useful. Why? Because then that will give us a more complete picture of what was actually heard as they went in. Not only that, but we would hear the actual words of the officers as they went into and through the house. But unfortunately Essex Police have said a catagorical NO to that request.

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Re: There was no reason why Sheila should wake: Was there ?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2014, 08:57:PM »
Her bedroom door may have been shut = No noise.

A silencer was used = No noise.

The twins did not wake = No noise.

June was shot & died in/by the bed = No noise.

Neville & Jeremy went downstairs = Minimal short term noise.

There was a brief but brutal fight = Noise in another part of WHF.

This whole process may have taken less than five minutes. Most of which was noise free = Not enough long term loudness to wake Sheila. Who may have been in a deep sleep as people are at 2.00am. And under sedation according to the 2002 appeal.

It would depend on:

1) how sound a sleeper she was

and

2) just how much noise was being made.  We have no idea how much noise was made in the bedroom and then in the kitchen or if any screming took place in either location by the victims or even the assailant.

She could have remained asleep through it or could have woken up at some point and gotten up we have no way to know.
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Re: There was no reason why Sheila should wake: Was there ?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2014, 09:30:PM »
 Neither women were asleep. June had always been a bad sleeper and had undergone treatment for nightmares ( a by-product of her religious psychosis ) and Sheila who stayed awake most nights because of her illness. Many's the time when Sheila had awakened the neighbours with her screaming fits in the early hours of the morning.

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Re: There was no reason why Sheila should wake: Was there ?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2014, 09:38:PM »
Neither women were asleep. June had always been a bad sleeper and had undergone treatment for nightmares ( a by-product of her religious psychosis ) and Sheila who stayed awake most nights because of her illness. Many's the time when Sheila had awakened the neighbours with her screaming fits in the early hours of the morning.

Sheila didn't stay awake, she was going to bed early according to her husband because her new medicine made her drowsy.  She left the party on the Sunday before the murders early to go to bed for that reason.  She could not drive home herself because she lacked the coordination to drive which is one of the reasons the cousins felt she would have lacked the coordination to carry out the murders. Her husband arranged for Jeremy to drive her which she didn't like at all because she did not want to be alone with Jeremy she did not get along with him at all. 

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Re: There was no reason why Sheila should wake: Was there ?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2014, 09:55:PM »
Sheila didn't stay awake, she was going to bed early according to her husband because her new medicine made her drowsy.  She left the party on the Sunday before the murders early to go to bed for that reason.  She could not drive home herself because she lacked the coordination to drive which is one of the reasons the cousins felt she would have lacked the coordination to carry out the murders. Her husband arranged for Jeremy to drive her which she didn't like at all because she did not want to be alone with Jeremy she did not get along with him at all.
I have never heard such a thing before you have said it. For your information my friend met both Jeremy and Sheila together when they were out with the young farmers. He said that they both appeared to get on together very well. In any case there was a long time between Sunday and Tuesday.

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Re: There was no reason why Sheila should wake: Was there ?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2014, 10:03:PM »
For you're information my friend met Alan Sugar. He was very shy and quiet.
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Re: There was no reason why Sheila should wake: Was there ?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2014, 10:06:PM »
Neither women were asleep. June had always been a bad sleeper and had undergone treatment for nightmares ( a by-product of her religious psychosis ) and Sheila who stayed awake most nights because of her illness. Many's the time when Sheila had awakened the neighbours with her screaming fits in the early hours of the morning.

Source please.
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Re: There was no reason why Sheila should wake: Was there ?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2014, 10:13:PM »
 Find the SOURCES yourself--------------they're all out there,documented !!
 Don't ever tell me what to do !

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Re: There was no reason why Sheila should wake: Was there ?
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2014, 10:13:PM »
It would depend on:

1) how sound a sleeper she was

and

2) just how much noise was being made.  We have no idea how much noise was made in the bedroom and then in the kitchen or if any screming took place in either location by the victims or even the assailant.

She could have remained asleep through it or could have woken up at some point and gotten up we have no way to know.

What screaming would there be ?

The twins were shot while asleep. No screaming.

June was shot seven times in bed. So probably asleep when the shooting started. By the time the shooting finished, she would be unable to scream.

Jeremy would want to keep things quiet, so will not be screaming. Neville does not seem like the type to scream.
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Re: There was no reason why Sheila should wake: Was there ?
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2014, 10:15:PM »
Find the SOURCES yourself--------------they're all out there,documented !!
 Don't ever tell me what to do !

I did not tell. I asked.

You make big statements every day. But have not provided a source. Ever.
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Re: There was no reason why Sheila should wake: Was there ?
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2014, 10:17:PM »
I did not tell. I asked.

You make big statements every day. But have not provided a source. Ever.





Because it's up to you to find them like we all had to do by research and searching.

Well don't ask either !

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Re: There was no reason why Sheila should wake: Was there ?
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2014, 10:21:PM »
Most of my thread post is fact. If Jeremy committed the massacre. The twins 'were' shot in their sleep.

Was Sheila lead or carried to the main bedroom ?
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Re: There was no reason why Sheila should wake: Was there ?
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2014, 10:22:PM »




Because it's up to you to find them like we all had to do by research and searching.

Well don't ask either !

It is a discussion forum so people share information. I am always providing sources. Telling people to 'find it themselves'  is immature.
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Re: There was no reason why Sheila should wake: Was there ?
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2014, 10:33:PM »
Most of my thread post is fact. If Jeremy committed the massacre. The twins 'were' shot in their sleep.

Was Sheila lead or carried to the main bedroom ?





Bugger off with your " facts ".They're no more facts than mine are,.Get real for Gods' sake !