anyone believe we are not being watched?

[Caroline]

Great.  I am particularly interested in the basis for each point you think to be the case and noting when there are alternative possibilities because the evidence is ambiguous.

By way of example, Nevill was shot first in the bedroom and then later shot in the kitchen after being severely beaten.  He obviously could not have been beaten and killed in the kitchen then shot upstairs later so this proves he was shot first in the bedroom.  Plus there was blood on the walls and drips in the rug that indicate his path to the kitchen. 

It makes no sense for things to have proceeded to the kitchen unless the gun was empty.  Likewise it makes no sense for the struggle to have taken place in the kitchen unless the gun was empty.  The killer had to beat Nevill unconscious to be able to reload in peace and be able to finish him off.  There were 11 bullets fired in the bedroom at June and Nevill which is the maximum load.  With 11 bullets fired the gun would be empty and thus there would be a reason for things to proceed to the kitchen and for there to be a struggle there until Nevill was unconscious, the killer could reload and kill him.

There are 2 possibilities that the evidence doesn't provide any clear answer on.  Nevill could have ran to the kitchen with the killer chasing him or Nevill could have chased his killer. Either way in the kitchen they rumbled so it is not an issue of major importance but one must be clear in admitting when the evidence can't provide a clear answer and there are different possibilities.

To aid you keep these things in mind:

1) Vanezis placed the blood in a bottle that he placed seals on so that one can see if they are tampered with.
2) Each bottle was then place in a bag with a seal and exhibit number.
3) Davidson filled out a CID6 form to record the blood and other evidence taken from Vanezis and personally took possession of the blood from Vanezis and brougth it to the evidence fridge at Chelmsford the police station
4) Davidson filled out 3 Holab3 forms to effect transfer of the 3 blood samples to HQ and they were taken by badge 1038. 
5) A courier brought the blood samples from HQ to the lab.  The lab received the 3 samples and returned a copy of the Holab3 form to Davidson to indicate receipt had occurred.

So the evidence COPL had in it possession was that all 3 samples successfully arrived at the lab.

So all 3 arrived and there was no evidence COLP developed of the lab reporting that any of the seals on these samples had been broken prior to arriving at the lab.   

That prompted the investigators to ask Davidson if he knew of anyone else taking any samples besides these 3 or if he took any samples covertly himself while at the morgue which of course he answered no to. 

I have not seen any COLP interviews where the lab was asked about what happened to 3 blood samples after being placed in their possession.

Unless one subscribes to the view that Davidson illicitly took blood extra blood while at the morgue the lab personnel would be the only ones in the position to illicitly use Sheila's own blood for invalid purposes.

 

Who died and made you teacher  ? This isn't a freakin essay and if you're interested in my take, why am I hearing more about what YOU think?. I'll be writing MY OPINION MY WAY. But thanks for the exam paper - it's not required though!

[susan]

Hello Caroline

I for one am looking forward to reading your take on this case as I know you research everything available to you and don't just post up rubbish like some

[Adam]

Hello Caroline

I for one am looking forward to reading your take on this case as I know you research everything available to you and don't just post up rubbish like some

Do you agree Sheila would not have heard anything. Giving Jeremy the opportunity to carry or lead her into the main bedroom ?

Or do you think Sheila woke and ended up petrified and retreating to the far corner, when seeing a gunman ?

[grahameb]

Do you agree Sheila would not have heard anything. Giving Jeremy the opportunity to carry or lead her into the main bedroom ?

Or do you think Sheila woke and ended up petrified and retreating to the far corner, when seeing a gunman ?

I believe she was awake and instigated the whole thing.

[Adam]

Susan is still considering my question.

[susan]

Am I sorry what is the question? I am not paying attention to your posts Repeat please.

[susan]

Adam I will be totally honest with you I just don't know what to believe anymore this is why I am looking forward to Caroline's take on the murders as it will be kinda new and maybe give us more to think about.

[nugnug]

i watched a very intresting video last night.

i think bambergate might be on to somthing here ill go and finding it agian.

[scipio_usmc]

Who died and made you teacher  ? This isn't a freakin essay and if you're interested in my take, why am I hearing more about what YOU think?. I'll be writing MY OPINION MY WAY. But thanks for the exam paper - it's not required though!

I figured I will help you get some of your facts straight since you demonstrated you had them messed up with your prior claims about the issue where you erroenously suggested the 3rd sample sat forever at the police station. 

[Martin]

Ha, ha!! Talk about an opportunist!! I have made my position clear, the fact that you can't gasp it would be your problem. I believe Jeremy is most likely guilty BUT that he was framed because EP wanted to 'secure' a conviction. I don't believe they KNEW he was innocent and went ahead and framed him anyway - there would be no reason.

You can now sit back on the sideline waiting for your next opportunity to have a go. Pathetic!

The above post is abusive in a gratuitous way and uncalled for. There was nothing in my post to justify such a response. Admittedly I should, with hindsight, have edited out Scipio’s paragraph containing the word "coward". But that had nothing to do with the point I was making.

Am I to assume that, henceforth, any reply from me will be responded to in a similar way or else just ignored?

[grahameb]

The above post is abusive in a gratuitous way and uncalled for. There was nothing in my post to justify such a response. Admittedly I should, with hindsight, have edited out Scipio’s paragraph containing the word "coward". But that had nothing to do with the point I was making.

Am I to assume that, henceforth, any reply from me will be responded to in a similar way or else just ignored?

Martin why don't you and Caroline kiss and make up?.......Well make up at least?

[lookout]

 There's little that can be done when personalities clash,Grahame-----------as in EP with Jeremy,and because EP were who they were and had the upper hand,,they won,albeit in a wrong way.

There are some that immediately get your back up and where you have two strong characters,neither one,rightly or wrongly,will give in. That's human nature for you.    Just grin and bear it.

[grahameb]

There's little that can be done when personalities clash,Grahame-----------as in EP with Jeremy,and because EP were who they were and had the upper hand,,they won,albeit in a wrong way.

There are some that immediately get your back up and where you have two strong characters,neither one,rightly or wrongly,will give in. That's human nature for you.    Just grin and bear it.

It all started when Caroline expressed her doubt about Jeremy's innocence. The Martin accused her of being a 5th columnist. Come on guys you're both worth your weight in gold and are two of the best posters on this forum.

[lookout]

It all started when Caroline expressed her doubt about Jeremy's innocence. The Martin accused her of being a 5th columnist. Come on guys you're both worth your weight in gold and are two of the best posters on this forum.

I honestly don't think I can read anything into what gets said/posted. It's just two people at cross purposes,nothing more.

[grahameb]

I honestly don't think I can read anything into what gets said/posted. It's just two people at cross purposes,nothing more.

Yes very cross.