Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?

[lookout]

What a disgrace. Anyone else spouting this shit would be met with the correct condemnation by all members of the forum. You seem to have a free pass to post unsubstantiated hate.

I don't particularly care what YOU think about my post. On the contrary,there is NO hate in what I posted,,and the simple reason why you say what you do is that June was never a suspect,or was she ? Yes,,she actually was before Sheila became one,and if you followed the case instead of my bloody posts you might just learn something !

[guest154]

I don't particularly care what YOU think about my post. On the contrary,there is NO hate in what I posted,,and the simple reason why you say what you do is that June was never a suspect,or was she ? Yes,,she actually was before Sheila became one,and if you followed the case instead of my bloody posts you might just learn something !

If you choose to think that June is still a suspect after all the information became known, after the autopsies after the number of wounds she recieved, where she recieved them etc then it is you who needs to follow the case more closely.

Yes, it's a very hateful thing to post about June, Lookout.

[maggie]

I don't care if you agree Maggie, I wasn't asking you to agree. There is no evidence that points anywhere near June having anything to do with this crime - so it's unsubstantiated hate to say that June had anything to do with it, unless you're able to point me in the direction of evidence that says otherwise?

I think you may find that I have stood up and argued in favour of June more than most on this forum and paid quite a price for it but I cannot see why Lookout's post deserved being labelled as 'unsubstantiated hate'.  Unsubstantiated yes but not really hate imo.
I don't believe for a minute you were asking me to agree or that you care what I think but I was just pointing out once again that you attack Lookout at any opportunity and for no apparent reason.

[Alias]

What a disgrace. Anyone else spouting this shit would be met with the correct condemnation by all members of the forum. You seem to have a free pass to post unsubstantiated hate.

I don´t agree with lookout on this and have said so. Can´t keep saying it every time she airs her theory!

[guest154]

I think you may find that I have stood up and argued in favour of June more than most on this forum and paid quite a price for it but I cannot see why Lookout's post deserved being labelled as 'unsubstantiated hate'.  Unsubstantiated yes but not really hate imo.
I don't believe for a minute you were asking me to agree or that you care what I think but I was just pointing out once again that you attack Lookout at any opportunity and for no apparent reason.

I'm pretty sure it can be classed as hateful to accuse an innocent dead person of these crimes, it's vulgar to do so.

I'm not attacking Lookout for no reason - I'm attacking her post and I said why - unsubstantiated and hateful - goes against all evidence.

Even Bamber would condemn it.

I don´t agree with lookout on this and have said so. Can´t keep saying it every time she airs her theory!

That's True, Alias.

[maggie]

I'm pretty sure it can be classed as hateful to accuse an innocent dead person of these crimes, it's vulgar to do so.

I'm not attacking Lookout for no reason - I'm attacking her post and I said why - unsubstantiated and hateful - goes against all evidence.

Even Bamber would condemn it.

That's True, Alias.

I have also said I don't agree with Lookout on this however she has a right to her opinion just as you have a right to disagree with it.

[lookout]

 BTW,,it wasn't me who first said this,,it was " Taff " Jones,,so Mat will have a job on his hands trying to castigate him,won't he ?

Then again,,whatever I post,the snake slithers on. He's got a BIG problem !!

[Jan]

If it was an argument between June and Sheila I could understand Neville trying to wade in and break it up - but it would not explain why those two boys were shot. Not at all.

Also where would the "suicide" come into the scenario.?

Also why none of her prints on the gun?

[scipio_usmc]

If it was an argument between June and Sheila I could understand Neville trying to wade in and break it up - but it would not explain why those two boys were shot. Not at all.

Also where would the "suicide" come into the scenario.?

Also why none of her prints on the gun?

Nor would it explain Nevill phoning and claiming Sheila had the gun and had gone crazy if June were the one with the gun.

If one wants to pretend the fiction that Nevill did call Jeremy then one has to stand by the claim made that Sheila was the one running around mad with the gun.

[Caroline]

What a disgrace. Anyone else spouting this shit would be met with the correct condemnation by all members of the forum. You seem to have a free pass to post unsubstantiated hate.

I don't for one moment agree with Lookout's view and see nothing to suggest there is even a remote possibility of things happening that way. But I don't see how it's hateful, it's just her opinion. I have to admit that I find it uncomfortable to read BUT it is a discussion board about the case and as mods we can't tell people what to think.

[lookout]

 Thanks Caroline.
 It just goes to show how something can be misinterpreted to suit,and if he'd read all my posts,he'd have perhaps seen that I'm  treating this case a  psychological killing and not a criminal one.

[guest154]

I don't for one moment agree with Lookout's view and see nothing to suggest there is even a remote possibility of things happening that way. But I don't see how it's hateful, it's just her opinion. I have to admit that I find it uncomfortable to read BUT it is a discussion board about the case and as mods we can't tell people what to think.

I agree it is uncomfortable to read, but I personally find it hateful towards June to sling such mud at her when she isn't here to defend herself and when the evidence is clear cut.
As for the mods telling people what to think I'm not asking for her posts to be edited or anything like that.

[Jan]

Nor would it explain Nevill phoning and claiming Sheila had the gun and had gone crazy if June were the one with the gun.

If one wants to pretend the fiction that Nevill did call Jeremy then one has to stand by the claim made that Sheila was the one running around mad with the gun.

there were times in Jeremys interview where he did say that he thought his father perhaps had said "she" rather than Sheila - but the call was quick and he was not 100% sure .

But I still don't know why the police would implicate June - or was that just the press?  And can not see for one moment why the twins would be involved.

[scipio_usmc]

there were times in Jeremys interview where he did say that he thought his father perhaps had said "she" rather than Sheila - but the call was quick and he was not 100% sure .

But I still don't know why the police would implicate June - or was that just the press?  And can not see for one moment why the twins would be involved.

Aside from Mike, lookout and Holly (who got banned here posts as Holly on red) I have not seen anyone who has considered the claim possible that June could have been involved.  Jeremy tried to make the argument when he felt his case against Sheila was going downhill but had to revert to it because the notion June was involved is so ridiculous.  Mike added June into the mix out of opportunism though not any other reason. To account for the lack of spatter and other forensic evidence Sheila would have had on her body if she beat Nevill and the lack of lead on her hands he attributed the beating to June and loading of the gun to June. Since June was neither tested for elevate lead levels nor foreign blood there is no way to prove she didn't have such evidence on her.  So while we can disprove Sheila had such evidence the same can't be said for June.  That is why June is a scapegoat of opportunity.  Not a successful scapegoat though because few people consider the idea credible so it rarely surfaces.

 

[Adam]

Why did Holly get banned ? She is a Jeremy supporter, as are the moderators on here. She always seems polite on the Red forum.