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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2014, 05:24:PM »
Woffinden is correct in saying that Jeremy shooting the twins first may have woken Neville. So Neville may have been partially ready when Jeremy entered the main bedroom. Explaining how Neville briefly escaped.

Two intial shots into the twins would still have left Jeremy with 9 bullets. Which he would have assumed would be enough.  However they were not enough to kill June & Neville. So extra bullets were fired after the kitchen fight & downstairs reload.

More bullets were then fired into the twins to make the massacre more 'crazy'.
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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2014, 05:29:PM »
I still believe Jeremy entered the main bedroom first.

There are so many different ways Jeremy could have done it. But with Sheila no one can even explain what she was doing when Neville phoned Jeremy.
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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #63 on: June 26, 2014, 05:41:PM »
I still believe Jeremy entered the main bedroom first.

There are so many different ways Jeremy could have done it. But with Sheila no one can even explain what she was doing when Neville phoned Jeremy.

possibly running upstairs to shoot her family?


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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #64 on: June 26, 2014, 07:52:PM »
possibly running upstairs to shoot her family?

Then how could she hang up the phone?

Moreover, she would not have any bullets left to use on Nevill.  Going down to the kitchen to get more bullets would result in her being disarmed as she tried to load the magazine.

In the meantime the evidence stablishes both June and Nevill were shot in the master bedroom before things progressed to the kitchen.



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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #65 on: June 26, 2014, 08:02:PM »
Then how could she hang up the phone?

Moreover, she would not have any bullets left to use on Nevill.  Going down to the kitchen to get more bullets would result in her being disarmed as she tried to load the magazine.

In the meantime the evidence stablishes both June and Nevill were shot in the master bedroom before things progressed to the kitchen.

Who said she hung up the phone? How do you know that he did not run upstairs to find out that she had shot June and then she shot him therein the bedroom?




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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #66 on: June 26, 2014, 09:34:PM »
Who said she hung up the phone? How do you know that he did not run upstairs to find out that she had shot June and then she shot him therein the bedroom?

Jeremy claims he was disconnected and immediately phoned back and the phone was busy.  If Nevill hung up abruptly and ran to see what Sheila was doing then Jeremy would have been able to call as claimed but would not have received a busy signal. 

If Nevill simply dropped the phone without hanging up then Jeremy could not have dialed a sclaimed.  He would have to have left the phone hung up for 1-2 solid minutes before he could use it. 

To try to make his claims possible Jeremy supporters insist Sheila pushed the receiver buttons down with her finger so it ended the call and then when she took her finger away the phone was registered as off the hook so no calls could be made.

If Nevill was alone why would he leave the phone off the hook to go run upstairs (which would mean Jeremy could not have immediately called back as claimed) and why would he not take a weapon as he went up to investigate?

The only explanation for him not arming himself in the kitchen with a knife, gun or other item would be if Sheila was there with him so he was prevented. 
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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2014, 09:52:PM »
Nevill could have registered something Sheila was doing (perhaps running upstairs as jansus suggests), at the same time as Jeremy was saying something. To better hear what Sheila was doing, he could have automatically put his finger on the receiver button, then quickly put the handset on the counter and chased after Sheila.
Could have happened that way.

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2014, 10:41:PM »
 Pity he hadn't left the line open.That would have cleared Jeremy altogether.

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2014, 10:49:PM »
Nevill could have registered something Sheila was doing (perhaps running upstairs as jansus suggests), at the same time as Jeremy was saying something. To better hear what Sheila was doing, he could have automatically put his finger on the receiver button, then quickly put the handset on the counter and chased after Sheila.
Could have happened that way.

That is right. Sheila had her blue nightie on. And was holding a rifle.

Neville & June had upset her earlier with a fostering conversation while Jeremy was hunting rabbits.
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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #70 on: June 27, 2014, 10:38:AM »
 June and Sheila had ample opportunity to have committed the massacre. They were " daggers drawn " as soon as Sheila and the boys entered the farmhouse ! Their relationships had deteriorated,as well as the health of the two women.

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #71 on: June 27, 2014, 11:21:AM »
 This is no excuse,,but there were two psychotic women under the same roof. I've worked on a ward full of them and this is where the word " bedlam " comes into its own. It was sheer Hell,with them screaming at each other,all with the same twisted personalities.
Sheila,to my mind,had her personality manipulated by her mother from a very early age,as I doubt if Sheila would have gone down the same route as her mother if it hadn't been drilled into her that she was a " child of the Devil ",,something that the girl/woman had to try and shut out of her mind over the years,but was constantly reminded of.

June herself was a sick woman with her religious psychosis,which in effect is a form of schizophrenia,after having suffered long bouts of depression herself to which she was treated with ECT for. Nobody fully recovers from the illness,they just remain in remission until such time as an emotional issue crops up then the illness kicks off.
Because of Junes' religious issues,she may not have taken any medication which to her,would have masked her feelings towards " God ",,as this is something which does happen in those of a religious bent. Certain types of medication make you forget the thoughts you have,,but June wanted to be in full control of them.

This was NO opportunistic massacre,,it was between two women whose beliefs spilled over into a tragedy.

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« Reply #72 on: June 27, 2014, 05:10:PM »
June and Sheila had ample opportunity to have committed the massacre. They were " daggers drawn " as soon as Sheila and the boys entered the farmhouse ! Their relationships had deteriorated,as well as the health of the two women.

What a disgrace. Anyone else spouting this shit would be met with the correct condemnation by all members of the forum. You seem to have a free pass to post unsubstantiated hate.

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #73 on: June 27, 2014, 05:13:PM »
What a disgrace. Anyone else spouting this shit would be met with the correct condemnation by all members of the forum. You seem to have a free pass to post unsubstantiated hate.
Sorry mat but I do not agree.  Lookout has posted a point of view you may not agree with but it is not 'unsubstantiated hate' as far as I can see. 

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Re: Did Jeremy have the 'opportunity' to commit the massacre ?
« Reply #74 on: June 27, 2014, 05:14:PM »
Sorry mat but I do not agree.  Lookout has posted a point of view you may not agree with but it is not 'unsubstantiated hate' as far as I can see.

I don't care if you agree Maggie, I wasn't asking you to agree. There is no evidence that points anywhere near June having anything to do with this crime - so it's unsubstantiated hate to say that June had anything to do with it, unless you're able to point me in the direction of evidence that says otherwise?