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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2014, 02:47:PM »
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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2014, 06:53:PM »
This is a very good example of bias on the part of people who claim to be objective.  The same people who like to use "what if Jeremy is innocent" and want people to go along and then respond to questions.

This is easy to answer.

If Jeremy is guilty he clearly would have killed everyone by 2:45AM and likely sooner since not only did he have to travel at least 15 minutes to arrive at home to make the call to Julie around 3AM he clearly played around with the crime scene for a while.

Jeremy supporters refuse to the hilt to even consider he could be guilty for the sake of argument.  That shows extreme bias. 

People refuse to consider the possibility he could be guilty no matter what and then try to conceal they are acting purely out of bias and invent complete nonsense to try to pretend they have some rational basis for their options like Alias saying she would never believe he is guilty based on the ABSURD reasoning that he would be too scared of dogs barking and giving him away.

Aside from being absurd Alias completely contradicts herself saying bullets would not be heard fired in a nearby room or outside because the rooms are soundproof but a dog could be heard, would definitely bark and upon finding their armed son he would not be able to control them though Sheila was able to do so.

 
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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2014, 08:55:PM »
This is a very good example of bias on the part of people who claim to be objective.  The same people who like to use "what if Jeremy is innocent" and want people to go along and then respond to questions.

This is easy to answer.

If Jeremy is guilty he clearly would have killed everyone by 2:45AM and likely sooner since not only did he have to travel at least 15 minutes to arrive at home to make the call to Julie around 3AM he clearly played around with the crime scene for a while.

Jeremy supporters refuse to the hilt to even consider he could be guilty for the sake of argument.  That shows extreme bias. 

People refuse to consider the possibility he could be guilty no matter what and then try to conceal they are acting purely out of bias and invent complete nonsense to try to pretend they have some rational basis for their options like Alias saying she would never believe he is guilty based on the ABSURD reasoning that he would be too scared of dogs barking and giving him away.

Aside from being absurd Alias completely contradicts herself saying bullets would not be heard fired in a nearby room or outside because the rooms are soundproof but a dog could be heard, would definitely bark and upon finding their armed son he would not be able to control them though Sheila was able to do so.
But of course you are siting possibilities that may not be true. JM's first statement to police was that Jeremt phoned at 3.30am. Another assumption you make is that in order for Jeremy to get home he must have used the bike. To call someone esle absurd just because their view is different to your own is a little absurd in itself would you not agree?

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2014, 09:11:PM »
But of course you are siting possibilities that may not be true. JM's first statement to police was that Jeremt phoned at 3.30am. Another assumption you make is that in order for Jeremy to get home he must have used the bike. To call someone esle absurd just because their view is different to your own is a little absurd in itself would you not agree?

JM wrote around 3:30AM and lied in that statement in an effort to aid Jeremy.  She didn't know the exact time which is why she asked her roomates.  Her roomates are the ones who were more certain about the time insisting it was around 3. Two say it was 3 another who is not as certain as them thought 3:15.

As for the bike, I don't assume he had to use it.  In fact, at numerous times I stated I would not have bothere dbecause at that hour few people are on the road and are unlikely to be on the street to see you let alone to wake up and look out a window to see what car parked. His neighbors didn't state they heard or saw him leave to go to WHF.  Since they didn't know he left why would they have to have heard him arrive back hom by car?

He probably did use a bike though because there is no reason for him to have stolen his mother's bike (that she bought recently) and to take it by car to his house to use.  Why would she have bought it for herself and then immediately let him take it.  The mud on the side of the tires suggestes it had been used at WHF recently moreover.  His claims of having had it for weeks which means right afte rhis mother bought it make no sense.

So while he had no need to use a bike instead of a car he likely did so because HE was under the impression using a car would be more apt to someone seeing or hearing him come and go.  I would have used a car simply and the fact his neighbors didn't hear him leave vindicates my own choice of how I would have traveled.

 
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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2014, 10:01:PM »
JM wrote around 3:30AM and lied in that statement in an effort to aid Jeremy.  She didn't know the exact time which is why she asked her roomates.  Her roomates are the ones who were more certain about the time insisting it was around 3. Two say it was 3 another who is not as certain as them thought 3:15.

As for the bike, I don't assume he had to use it.  In fact, at numerous times I stated I would not have bothere dbecause at that hour few people are on the road and are unlikely to be on the street to see you let alone to wake up and look out a window to see what car parked. His neighbors didn't state they heard or saw him leave to go to WHF.  Since they didn't know he left why would they have to have heard him arrive back hom by car?

He probably did use a bike though because there is no reason for him to have stolen his mother's bike (that she bought recently) and to take it by car to his house to use.  Why would she have bought it for herself and then immediately let him take it.  The mud on the side of the tires suggestes it had been used at WHF recently moreover.  His claims of having had it for weeks which means right afte rhis mother bought it make no sense.

So while he had no need to use a bike instead of a car he likely did so because HE was under the impression using a car would be more apt to someone seeing or hearing him come and go.  I would have used a car simply and the fact his neighbors didn't hear him leave vindicates my own choice of how I would have traveled.

 
I suggest it was just that. She did not know the time. At least one other occupant of the house that JM was in testified the same time of 3.30am.
Where the bike is concerned there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever. You are just presuming that he used a bike because it suits your own scenario. My mate used to say, 2Opinions are like arseholes. Everybody has one". And as far as I can see after weighing things up carefully in my own mind is that what you are saying is just that. An opinion among many.

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2014, 10:36:PM »
Its possible  among the rooms  upturned a clock or anything showing the time may have stopped  that alone may answer some questions, a murderer  would take extra care not to knock such devices.

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2014, 10:41:PM »
I suggest it was just that. She did not know the time. At least one other occupant of the house that JM was in testified the same time of 3.30am.
Where the bike is concerned there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever. You are just presuming that he used a bike because it suits your own scenario. My mate used to say, 2Opinions are like arseholes. Everybody has one". And as far as I can see after weighing things up carefully in my own mind is that what you are saying is just that. An opinion among many.

I am afraid it is just too much of a coincidence that Jeremy put his mothers bike in his car, and took it back to his home. Three days before the massacre.

It is circumstantial evidence.
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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2014, 10:44:PM »
I am afraid it is just too much of a coincidence that Jeremy put his mothers bike in his car, and took it back to his home. Three days before the massacre.

It is circumstantial evidence.




It isn't circumstantial evidence at all.It was just bad-timing on Jeremys' part that the tragedy should have happened when it did.
It's all guesswork,nothing more.

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2014, 10:44:PM »
I suggest it was just that. She did not know the time. At least one other occupant of the house that JM was in testified the same time of 3.30am.
Where the bike is concerned there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever. You are just presuming that he used a bike because it suits your own scenario. My mate used to say, 2Opinions are like arseholes. Everybody has one". And as far as I can see after weighing things up carefully in my own mind is that what you are saying is just that. An opinion among many.

I am afraid is is almost certain that Jeremy phoned Julie before the police. Even Jeremy at first said this. Before changing his mind.

The 2002 appeal could not believe he phoned Julie at all.
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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2014, 10:47:PM »
Was the 2002 appeal at a loss why there was no dna at the scene pointing to Jeremy?

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2014, 10:55:PM »
I am afraid is is almost certain that Jeremy phoned Julie before the police. Even Jeremy at first said this. Before changing his mind.

The 2002 appeal could not believe he phoned Julie at all.




What was so bad in everyones' eyes that Jeremy phoned Julie ? He asked her what he should do,given that his father wasn't keen on authority,namely the police.
Why the suspicion ? Would it have been the same if he'd phoned a relative ? He may well have done if the family had been a close one.

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2014, 11:13:PM »



What was so bad in everyones' eyes that Jeremy phoned Julie ? He asked her what he should do,given that his father wasn't keen on authority,namely the police.
Why the suspicion ? Would it have been the same if he'd phoned a relative ? He may well have done if the family had been a close one.

He was asked why hd did not phone nearby farm workers, relatives or 999.

Jeremy said 'it did no occur to him'.

The police also asked him why he phoned Julie.

Jeremy said 'no comment'.
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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2014, 11:19:PM »
He was asked why hd did not phone nearby farm workers, relatives or 999.

Jeremy said 'it did no occur to him'.

The police also asked him why he phoned Julie.

Jeremy said 'no comment'.





No comment because he didn't want to appear to be a wally phoning his girlfriend for advice !
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