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Offline Bambergate

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The 3 stages
« on: June 21, 2014, 09:19:PM »
There are three steps to the Jeremy Bamber case some never pass the first and some get lost in the second, some walk past missing the event alltogther.
The first is in my view the simplest and that is to find out if Jeremy is either guilty or innocent.
Jeremy was convicted by the closest of margins one more of the jury voting not guilty and he would be a free man.
The case against him was made from three points the first a silencer which supposily had his sisters blood on it and when fitted to the gun made it too long for for her to shoot herself.
As we know now nothing regarding the silencer adds up there was no blood on it and it did not make the gun too long and none and I mean none of the paperwork relating to the silencer appears real,dates changes,signatures missing and more than one silencer existed, the silencer if fake evidence!

The second part that convicted Jeremy was the statement by his former girlfriend that he had confessed to her ,we now know that she was paid for her story and she received coaching form Essex police and had a deal in which she would nod be convicted for her separate crimes including fraud.we now know nothing Julie Mugford said can be trusted in fact she was given no choice but to testify against Jeremy as Essex police would of convicted her as a accerory,Julie Mugford is the second silent victim in this case other than those who lost their lives on the night.

The last piece of evidence supposedly pointed to Jeremy guilt was Essex police saying that Jeremy never received a call from his dad on the night,again we find this not to be the case in fact there is a record of Jeremy's dad calling 999 saying his daughter had gone berserk with one of his guns to which Essex police dispatched a police car to the farmhouse one minute before Jeremy called the police.
So what is left to point to Jeremy's guilt? er nothing no more evidence no DNA no witnesses in fact over the last 27  years even more details have emerged to exactley why Jeremy has been framed for the murders of his family.

The first step in my view is simple is Jeremy guilty? Jeremy is not guilty, remember innocent until proven guilty and there is nothing that shows this to be the case.

The second part of the Bamber case is more tricky,now that we know that he is innocent we have ask the obvious question why did Essex police convict a man they knew to be innocent? remember if Jeremy is innocent Essex police know because Jeremy was sat outside in the police car while almost the entire force were surrounding the farm house.
This is not easy to find out as Essex police have tried and are trying to keep this from ever being discovered with the distructuion of key evidence and photographs and placing the whole file under pii but we still need to know the detail of what happened for the the final part.
let me use a example of the car macinic, a car macinic must fully understand how a car works not just how to operate it and drive it but in detail how it works and what can go wrong with it,thew will to know detail of of the components and sizes in short they must know everything there is to know so they can complete their next task.
The macinic must be able to fix the the car.

The third and last step of the Bamber case is in my view the hardest, to unwind the knotted ball of string that has taken almost 30 years to become tangled there are many tight knots in this ball many people resisting being unwound and the truth from coming out it is a challenging task.
Many of the people are very powerful and some are even famous but  all our lives are derived from the freedom's we enjoy so if we want things so stay this way we need to look into those dark corners and clean them once in awhile, I see it as a safeguard to our lives.
Jeremy is our key to reminding us not to take things for granted,he can offer  us more than we can return to him,we need to look for these oppunitys and try to make the most of them.
The final step is to look at ways for the mistakes of the past to be put right and in this process Jeremy must receive his freedom,in a ideal world solutions would be found that helped everyone but I think in the Bamber case there must be losers after all I feel framing Jeremy is akin to murder itself and has consequences attached for those involved.
So why am I telling you this well its to offer you the same reward I have received by my involment in the case,,to get it do what you feel you can do to help you are all free to choose what interests you,if you cannot think of anything simply pass the story on and that will be more than enough.
You have helped just by reading this I hope by understanding the world you live in more now and that enritches your life.
Bambergate if taken as a whole is a very positive event I have expressed this to Jeremy too.

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Re: The 3 stages
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2014, 09:38:PM »
You say that we all know the suppressor blood evidence was faked but that is not true at all.  If you had any actual reliable proof of this then the courts would have to at minimum grant a new trial.   

You skip the main step which is proving Jeremy is innocent and just assert he is and the evidence faked without demonstrating this to actually be the case.

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Re: The 3 stages
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2014, 09:45:PM »

The last piece of evidence supposedly pointed to Jeremy guilt was Essex police saying that Jeremy never received a call from his dad on the night,again we find this not to be the case in fact there is a record of Jeremy's dad calling 999 saying his daughter had gone berserk with one of his guns to which Essex police dispatched a police car to the farmhouse one minute before Jeremy called the police.
So what is left to point to Jeremy's guilt? er nothing no more evidence no DNA no witnesses in fact over the last 27  years even more details have emerged to exactley why Jeremy has been framed for the murders of his family.


Pure fantasy Bambergate. Look at the acutal document again. Dis-credited.

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Re: The 3 stages
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2014, 10:18:PM »
The police knew nothing about Susan Battersby's 1984 cheque book fraud and Jeremy's caravan break in. Repeatedly said on here.

Julie Mugford approached the police after sole searching and  discussion with Liz Rimmington. She did not have to.
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Re: The 3 stages
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2014, 10:25:PM »
The police knew nothing about Susan Battersby's 1984 cheque book fraud and Jeremy's caravan break in. Repeatedly said on here.

Julie Mugford approached the police after sole searching and  discussion with Liz Rimmington. She did not have to.

Just because you call it Susan Battersby´s cheque fraud doesn´t make it so. It was Julie´s idea, she said so herself. She also said that it was hard talking Susan into it. I have told you this before, but you choose to ignore it. All that propaganda, must be hard to keep up.

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Re: The 3 stages
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2014, 10:29:PM »
Actually there might be some truth that the phone call did exist. Cast your minds back to the Malcolm M interview. 

We have proof that you called Jeremy from WHF to let him know the deed was done.  Or something close to that.

Its well worth going over it???????;D ;D ;D ;D


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Re: The 3 stages
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2014, 10:32:PM »
Just because you call it Susan Battersby´s cheque fraud doesn´t make it so. It was Julie´s idea, she said so herself. She also said that it was hard talking Susan into it. I have told you this before, but you choose to ignore it. All that propaganda, must be hard to keep up.



As have I and others Alias, but no matter, Mat clearly wishes it to be believed that it is I alone who finds Adam's behaviour unacceptable .

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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2014, 10:35:PM »


As have I and others Alias, but no matter, Mat clearly wishes it to be believed that it is I alone who finds Adam's behaviour unacceptable .

He is clearly here to spread false information aka propaganda aka lies.

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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2014, 10:37:PM »


As have I and others Alias, but no matter, Mat clearly wishes it to be believed that it is I alone who finds Adam's behaviour unacceptable .

Huh?

Alias has the right to say what she likes to Adam - I've no problem with that. The problem was you editing his posts and his posts alone when he posts links. Everyone on this forum posts links to old topics - Adam shouldn't be stopped from doing so just because you don't like him.

No idea what it has to do with this topic though.

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Re: The 3 stages
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2014, 10:40:PM »
Huh?

Alias has the right to say what she likes to Adam - I've no problem with that. The problem was you editing his posts and his posts alone when he posts links. Everyone on this forum posts links to old topics - Adam shouldn't be stopped from doing so just because you don't like him.

No idea what it has to do with this topic though.


Nor I.

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Re: The 3 stages
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2014, 10:41:PM »
Actually there might be some truth that the phone call did exist. Cast your minds back to the Malcolm M interview. 

We have proof that you called Jeremy from WHF to let him know the deed was done.  Or something close to that.

Its well worth going over it???????;D ;D ;D ;D

now why would they say they had proof if they dident.

was it just a bluff or did they have proof.

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Re: The 3 stages
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2014, 10:46:PM »
Huh?

Alias has the right to say what she likes to Adam - I've no problem with that. The problem was you editing his posts and his posts alone when he posts links. Everyone on this forum posts links to old topics - Adam shouldn't be stopped from doing so just because you don't like him.

No idea what it has to do with this topic though.

Hi Mat, it's not that he just posts links to old posts (which would be fair enough), he post links to the same posts continuously. How many times have you heard about his '19 reasons' (for whatever)? I think Adam might be liked a lot better if he wasn't so repetitive. That's all.
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Re: The 3 stages
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2014, 10:50:PM »
Just because you call it Susan Battersby´s cheque fraud doesn´t make it so. It was Julie´s idea, she said so herself. She also said that it was hard talking Susan into it. I have told you this before, but you choose to ignore it. All that propaganda, must be hard to keep up.

It was 'Susan Battetsby's' cheque book.

Anyway. When Julie approached the police, they knew nothing about it. Or 'Jeremy's' caravan break in.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: The 3 stages
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2014, 10:50:PM »
now why would they say they had proof if they dident.

was it just a bluff or did they have proof.

Not sure Nugs. Why would they try and bluff him? If he turned round and said OK then you got me, they would have had to provide that evidence in court surely?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: The 3 stages
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2014, 10:58:PM »
Hi Mat, it's not that he just posts links to old posts (which would be fair enough), he post links to the same posts continuously. How many times have you heard about his '19 reasons' (for whatever)? I think Adam might be liked a lot better if he wasn't so repetitive. That's all.

I post a link to any thread which relates to and assists what someone else has posted.

'Only I know what really happened that night'.