Author Topic: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003  (Read 1056293 times)

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Offline sandra L

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Not to my knowledge, nugnug - I've never seen anything attributed to them. Why do you ask?

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no i couldent find anything ln the papers ethere they seem a bit reclusive im sure the press would of loved to interview if they could of done.

but they seemed a tiny bit publicity shy.

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It's so hard in this case to for any real summary as to what we believed happened at the crime scene, every abnormality in the case seems to be precluded with another.
We know Jodi had to have been at the point where she was discovered but the police believing that Luke was there waiting just doesn't make sense. There are so many possibilities as to why she was there she may have chosen that way herself,followed someone or as I believe she was trying to avoid one of the people on that motorised bicycle who we know were on the path, strangely her killer to might have been trying to avoid the same person.
The lack of noise concerns me but possible considering the fact there were people on a motorised bike in the area and Jodi may well have been overcome very quickly, I believe someone heard something as those on the bike appear to have been drawn to the v break.

Jodi was knocked unconscious and possibly semi stripped early on and numerous wounds caused over a lengthy time, this wasn't a 5 min assault but most probably took in excess of 20/25 mins.

The clothes and their proximity to the body can tell us very little as we know that some staging took effect, body moved, clothes handled and on occasion placed or folded neatly. There's nothing to suggest that all the clothes at the crimes scene were placed by designed

why had the body been moved why did the killer move it why would he want to.

did he move it or is it the police moved the body to photograph it.


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Note how Paddy errs on the side of caution

"Involved in the campaign is Paddy Hill, one of six men wrongly accused of the 1974 Birmingham pub bombing. He said: “I remain extremely concerned and disturbed that Luke was convicted of this crime based on the evidence presented

Read more at: http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/new-attempt-to-release-jodi-jones-killer-luke-mitchell-1-4581473

Paddy once backed Simon Halls campaign
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Professor Allan Jamieson also reviewed forensics in the Simon Hall Case. In fact he was interviewed during the last ever BBC Rough Justice Documentary "The Innocents Brief"


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Note how Paddy errs on the side of caution

"Involved in the campaign is Paddy Hill, one of six men wrongly accused of the 1974 Birmingham pub bombing. He said: “I remain extremely concerned and disturbed that Luke was convicted of this crime based on the evidence presented

Read more at: http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/new-attempt-to-release-jodi-jones-killer-luke-mitchell-1-4581473

Paddy once backed Simon Halls campaign

Paddy raises concern regarding the evidence presented at trial. He has NOT claimed Mitchell is innocent
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paddy says that in every case its his standard statement.

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Paddy raises concern regarding the evidence presented at trial. He has NOT claimed Mitchell is innocent

Paddy isn't quoted as saying "at trial," is he? Everyone who has ever worked with a claimed wrongful conviction knows there is so much more than simply the evidence presented at trial. And, as it should be, Professor Jamieson is going to review the forensic evidence.

What does it matter which cases groups or individuals have reviewed previously? The suggestion that they "got it wrong" in the Simon Hall case (I'll reserve judgement on that, since there are still so many unanswered questions) can't then be used to infer either that their opinions/reviews are worthless or that they will "get it wrong" in other cases.

The criminal justice system is deeply flawed and is getting away with convictions on the flimsiest of evidence - that's not justice for anyone. Trying to address those flaws and ensure true justice for all is, in my opinion, a responsibility that belongs to all of us.

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Very interesting post
Thank you Sandra
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Paddy isn't quoted as saying "at trial," is he? Everyone who has ever worked with a claimed wrongful conviction knows there is so much more than simply the evidence presented at trial.

Don't they just  ::)

So when are you going to fill us all in with regards Luke's relationship with his mother

Which category does she fall in http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8760.0.html


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg391774.html#msg391774
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[Note to readers: This survey is anecdotal, the start of a future study]... a doctor of criminology at Birmingham City University has pointed out that there are three distinctive types of mothers that might be more likely to raise a murderer.

Operative words and phrases - "anecdotal"- not based in any sort of formal research whatsoever. "Might be more likely" ... and, of course, might not!

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After examining 10 murder cases in the UK series Murderers and their Mothers, Dr Elizabeth Yardley began to demystify the psyche of killers by looking closely at their maternal relations.

TEN! On average, there are around 5,500 people serving life sentences for murder each year in the UK. Ten doesn't really seen like a reasonable sample from which to draw such conclusions, in my opinion.

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What about Luke's "unusual" relationship with his mother?

If, by that, you are referring to media claims that he was found sleeping in the same room as his mother, I'd caution that media reports aren't always accurate and even when they are, there can be perfectly innocent explanations for the information published.

For example, some media reports stated they were found sleeping in the same bedroom. Inaccurate. However, another youth was sleeping in the same bedroom as his mother at the time, but that youth was Jodi's brother. Unusual relationship? Or devastated family keeping close for comfort.

Luke and his mother were sleeping in the living room - on a couch each on separate walls in the room, because Luke was heavily medicated for shock in the aftermath of Jodi's murder, and Corinne was afraid he might fall down the stairs in the night. Unusual relationship, or sensible, caring and responsible decision in the circumstances?



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The "three types of mothers" who "might be more likely to raise murderers" are either

Victims of abuse and neglect themselves

OR

They come from relatively stable, if not "traditional" families

OR

They follow society's rules and fulfil social expectations.

Let's see, what does that leave? Rebellious, anti-social, refusing to obey rules or acknowledge social norms ... nope, nothing to see here, likely to bring up perfectly normal children. How about strictly authoritarian, doling out harsh punishments for the most minor misdemeanours ... nope, they're not on the list either. Mothers with mental health problems, addictions, zero social support ... they don't seem to be on the list either. Just those crazy, stable mothers who insist on following society's rules and fulfilling social expectations ... guess we'll all have to watch out for them!

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Is there actual “new evidence” or a summary look at the old evidence that may or may not have been at trial. We had two new DNA samples discovered during the last appeal process that were neither considered good enough to invoke a new appeal and were never identified through the national database.

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Is there actual “new evidence” or a summary look at the old evidence that may or may not have been at trial. We had two new DNA samples discovered during the last appeal process that were neither considered good enough to invoke a new appeal and were never identified through the national database.

well the sccrc is under investigation now so i doubt they would make such an absurd decisn agian.

though maybe i shouldent speak to soon.
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