The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003

[nugnug]

can anyone remind me what the name of the army cadet leader who gave evidence against luke was.

[gordo30]

I'm not sure if he was even called to give evidence mate, can't remember his name though.

Is there anyone who remembers the colour of the trainers that were found at the crime scene?

Did Jodi always wear her glasse's?

I know the messages sent around 4:36 between Jodi and Luke but did Luke ever say who sent the 1st message?

[nugnug]

yes i think her glases were found near the scene.

eveery photo ive seen of her shes wearing them so i think its safe to say she wore them all the time.

[sandra L]

The dog trainer has never been publicly named, nugnug.

Jodi's trainers (DCs) were dark blue with white piping and laces .

Jodi always wore her glasses, yes.

From memory, Luke sent the first message, but I'm far from sure on that, and would have to check. JuJ seemed to think Jodi "must have" texted Luke (since, according to JuJ, she had just ungrounded Jodi), however, for that to be the case, there would have had to be three texts - one from Jodi saying "Hey, I've just been ungrounded, are you coming out tonight" one from Luke saying "Cool, you want to come down here after tea?" and a third from Jodi saying, "Sure, I'll be down later."

But the official line is that there ere only 2 texts, from memory, Luke saying, "Are you coming out tonight, fancy coming down here after tea" and the response from Jodi "Yeah, I'll be down (or see you there) later."

[gordo30]

DC's? 

[nugnug]

The dog trainer has never been publicly named, nugnug.

Jodi's trainers (DCs) were dark blue with white piping and laces .

Jodi always wore her glasses, yes.

From memory, Luke sent the first message, but I'm far from sure on that, and would have to check. JuJ seemed to think Jodi "must have" texted Luke (since, according to JuJ, she had just ungrounded Jodi), however, for that to be the case, there would have had to be three texts - one from Jodi saying "Hey, I've just been ungrounded, are you coming out tonight" one from Luke saying "Cool, you want to come down here after tea?" and a third from Jodi saying, "Sure, I'll be down later."

But the official line is that there ere only 2 texts, from memory, Luke saying, "Are you coming out tonight, fancy coming down here after tea" and the response from Jodi "Yeah, I'll be down (or see you there) later."

no I don't mean the dog trainer

[sandra L]

Sorry, nugnug, I was rushing yesterday and didn't read your post properly.

The army cadets guy's name was Matthew Mouraska. Interestingly, his evidence was that he saw another cadet "passing something to Luke" - at no point did he say the knife belonged to Luke. Yet another little sleight of hand that was allowed to slip by un-noticed.

[sandra L]

DC's?

The brand of trainers!

[gordo30]

Yeah sry I looked them up after I posted, didn't know that type before but seem to be popular with skateboarders types.

I'm wondering that blue trainer no matter how dark would an articulate teenager wear them with baggy black cords? Trainers are one of the few things we wouldn't pick if they weren't the right size as opposed to a t-shirt that may be m,l or xl depending on how you want it to look. I remember the cords being described as baggy , why were they baggy, were they too big for Jodi or simply her style?

[gordo30]

That seems a bit cryptic. I'm wondering how the police established that the cords were baggy as I don't see them reclothing the body to find out if they were indeed baggy. I suspect that Jodi would have been say a size 10,12 and the cords were a size bigger does that make sense?

[nugnug]

 the teachers who gave evdence agianst luke there were 2 of thrm wernt there i know gerldine mckie but the other ones name escapes me.

[nugnug]

Sorry, I can't remember the sizes of either Luke's shoes or the boot prints - I only remember that they were different sizes. I probably have a note of that somewhere as well. Looks like I really am going to have to dig out those notes - I'll try to do that I the next couple of days - problem is, I have to empty a whole room to get to them!

The jeans were knotted round Jodi's left wrist, wrapped around her right wrist. I'd say it was possible that the jeans could have been used to drag her body - her right arm was angled slightly outwards from her body, rather than being by her side, like her left arm.

There were blood stained branches, etc, further towards Newbattle, but the blood spray on the wall was only about 3' or so from where Jodi was found. Most of the clothes were found in a trail over about 15' between the V break and Jodi's body - i.e. in the Easthouses direction - in order, they were found, from furthest away from the body to nearest - bra strap and two pound coins (these were found "later?"), hoodie to the right in some shrubs, glasses (missing one lens) and T shirt  midway, bra, underwear  and shoes nearest the body.  By nearest the body, I mean less than 5' away. Jodi was claimed to have been fully clothed when she was murdered, her throat cut while she was in a sitting position at the wall where she was found, and stripped afterwards.  Yet the bra was pure white, the laces and trims on the shoes were pure white, there was no visible blood staining on either. Is that possible?

im sure if any footprints near the crime scence matched lukes shoe size the proscution would of mentioned it as ive heard no such mention from reading the courts i think its safe asume they dident.

[nugnug]

Sorry, nugnug, I was rushing yesterday and didn't read your post properly.

The army cadets guy's name was Matthew Mouraska. Interestingly, his evidence was that he saw another cadet "passing something to Luke" - at no point did he say the knife belonged to Luke. Yet another little sleight of hand that was allowed to slip by un-noticed.

are thankyou hes the one guy ive never done any reaserach on.

[gordo30]

Does anyone remember what jodi wore to school that day? I'm not sure if the schools in the area were strict when it came to wearing uniforms but being the last week and a lot of kids away on a trip they might have been relaxed on what you were allowed to wear. Luke certainly wore casual clothes but was wondering if that was normal.

[gordo30]

Does anyone have links to the diagrams curious made about the DNA?
There were a lot of samples of semen found but there were others like possible sweat, saliva and hairs but is there anything to suggest if ameligenin test were performed to determine wether or not these samples were male or female?

Also we know SK's profile was either taken or they had it as he went over the wall but were the DNA from the other members of the search party taken?