The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003

[Stephanie]

We have had this discussion before about Robert greens. I don't think if I remember correctly she said it was greens, I think she said the possibility was never explored, checked out that it could be him.

Are you referring to the Shirley Mckie forum?

She certainly alluded to him having been a suspect imo.

So you think it was 'stocky man?' So if we are to go along with your belief; Don't you think he would have struck again by now?

No - I don't believe it checked out it could be him (Greens) - plus if you are still suggesting that to be so, is that your 'stocky man?' Or have you got 2 suspects in mind?

[marty]

Are you referring to the Shirley Mckie forum?

She certainly alluded to him having been a suspect imo.

So you think it was 'stocky man?' So if we are to go along with your belief; Don't you think he would have struck again by now?

No - I don't believe it checked out it could be him (Greens) - plus if you are still suggesting that to be so, is that your 'stocky man?' Or have you got 2 suspects in mind?

No it was on the wap.
There could be a whole list of reasons he hasn't struck again.
I don't know who stocky man is, but imo, everything ties in with it being him. Saw the opportunity,took it.

[nugnug]

funny all the people who were on that path and none cliam to have seen anything and its a well ised path.

[marty]

the people with the best cercumstancel case agianst them are john ferris and gordon dickie for some reason i dont think they did it but i think they know a lot more than they are telling.

I agree with  this nugnug. Either that , the murder never happened at 515

[mike tesko]

I don't believe it has been proved that the attack and murder had occurred at a specific time when Luke Mitchell had an opportunity to be responsible...

[nugnug]

your right it hasnt been proved though i think its fairly likely it happend around that time becouse there were no further sightings of jodi after she was seen entring the wood with a lardge man follwing behind her.

[John]

Shane had a very regular girlfriend. He didn't introduce porn, the police did, 10 months later, from internet records. "Watching porn" is also very misleading - records show he connected with a number of car sites, with what appear to be "pop ups" of a few seconds each appearing intermittently over the 15 minutes or so the internet was connected. These are the "porn sites" which allowed the prosecution to introduce the whole "watching porn" story in order to undermine Luke's alibi.

Pop-ups aside, Shane Mitchell agreed under cross examination that this was not an activity he would have engaged in if he thought anyone else was in the house and so he failed to corroborate Mitchell's alibi.

Yet again, Sandra has attempted to play down the reality of the situation and raise doubt in the mind of the uninformed reader. Brings a whole new meaning to her claim to be, "correcting wrong information".



A COMPUTER belonging to Luke Mitchell’s brother was used to access explicit pornography on the day Jodi Jones was murdered.

The High Court in Edinburgh today heard that someone using the computer visited a series of sex websites during the early evening of June 30, 2003.

A password-protected internet account paid for by Shane Mitchell had accessed the pages.

The court heard evidence from Detective Inspector William Cravens from the National High Tech Crime Unit, based at Newbridge, who had been called in by Lothian and Borders Police to examine the device following the killing of the Dalkeith schoolgirl.

DI Cravens said that he had used forensic software to determine that the computer had been used to access the internet between around 4.53pm and 5.16pm on June 30.

He added that 131 files had been created on the computer’s hard drive during the internet session.

Prosecutor Alan Turnbull asked him if the files could be retrieved. DI Cravens replied that he had retrieved the files and they were of a "pornographic nature".

Mr Turnbull asked if there were other pornographic images on the computer. Detective Inspector Cravens replied: "There were a lot of pornographic images."

The court heard that the final image which had been accessed before the internet session was ended depicted a man who had been digitally altered so his lower half was that of a naked female.

Defence solicitor Donald Findlay asked DI Cravens if the image was pornographic. He replied: "To an extent. It’s a very odd picture."

Mr Findlay said the image was a "bad taste joke" and asked for the image to be displayed to the court.

He added that the image had in fact been downloaded from a motoring website and that many of the other websites that had been accessed referred to automobiles.

Mr Findlay said: "Not all the sites were pornographic. Many were car-related."

The police report confirmed that the time on Shane Mitchell’s computer was accurate.

It also stated that an internet connection had been open between 4.53pm and 5.16pm on the day Jodi was killed. DI Cravens explained to the court that the internet files which had been accessed were automatically saved on to the hard drive.

He was able to access these files after obtaining the encrypted password from Lothian and Borders Police.

But Mr Findlay queried whether all the pornographic websites which had been stored on the hard drive had actually been opened by the computer’s user. He said that pop-ups often redirect people to alternative sites which may have contained sexual images.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/pc-used-to-access-internet-porn-on-day-that-jodi-died-1-957682#ixzz3s44hW4Tw

[Baz]

Mike. It's ridiculous to conclude that Luke is innocent due to lack of evidence while claiming it was Shane. There is absolutely nothing to support this.

Yes, Ferris and Dickie may know more than they let on, but perhaps being the type of people they were, they didn't want to grass or get involved with the police. Didn't Ferris point the finger at Luke early on? Maybe they did see something after all. Might JF's refusal to come forward with important evidence against Luke be the reason the Jones family hate him and for Joey wanting to beat him up?

2 witnesses claimed to see a stocky man, late teens or early 20's, messy ginger hair following Jodi as she made her way to meet Luke. The thing is though, one of these witnesses claimed to see the same man a week later in the police reconstruction. This man recognised the description of himself and came forward. So why do you place these sightings above others such as those of Luke Mitchell? If it were stocky man currently in jail for jodi's murder with Sandra defending him, no question she'd be totally discrediting this witness for such an error. And would you, being a moj campaigner, be satisfied with such a witness? How does this constitute a "no brainer"?

So the guy at the reconstruction wasn't the stocky guy seen following Jodi? Did they ever find him?

[John]

So the guy at the reconstruction wasn't the stocky guy seen following Jodi? Did they ever find him?

It was never even confirmed that the girl was Jodi.

Hard to believe though it is, other than this stocky man report, nobody came forward to say they saw Jodi after she left home.  It isn't known for sure which route she took to get to where she was found murdered.

[Baz]

It was never even confirmed that the girl was Jodi.

Did they not describe her clothes or anything?

[Baz]

Nope. This guy had just returned from England on the night of the reconstruction so it couldn't have been him a week prior, despite the witness claiming it was him. This is evidence that marty considers a no brainer  apparently.

So who did they see?

[Baz]

possibly a teenage girl walking down the street

with a young stocky guy walking down the street a bit behind her

the credibility of at least one of the 2 witnesses can be questioned for reasons stated

(despite what nugnug says nobody was witnessed following Jodi into the woods.)

So they didn't corroborate this at all?

[John]

The police were actually very keen to track the guy down and made much of it at the time. Funny for a police force Sandra claims decided it was Luke within a few days.

They probably had a fair idea the very night after Jodi was murdered when they took him into the police station for questioning. It's a real shame we don't have access to the video of the police interview like we had in the Adrian Prout case.  Body language can be a great indicator of guilt to the trained investigator.

[Stephanie]

So, he wasn't actually connected to any dedicated porn sites? That's way beyond misleading. Did df point this out?

Seems he was Marty.

Pop-ups aside, Shane Mitchell agreed under cross examination that this was not an activity he would have engaged in if he thought anyone else was in the house and so he failed to corroborate Mitchell's alibi.

Yet again, Sandra has attempted to play down the reality of the situation and raise doubt in the mind of the uninformed reader. Brings a whole new meaning to her claim to be, "correcting wrong information".



A COMPUTER belonging to Luke Mitchell’s brother was used to access explicit pornography on the day Jodi Jones was murdered.

The High Court in Edinburgh today heard that someone using the computer visited a series of sex websites during the early evening of June 30, 2003.

A password-protected internet account paid for by Shane Mitchell had accessed the pages.

The court heard evidence from Detective Inspector William Cravens from the National High Tech Crime Unit, based at Newbridge, who had been called in by Lothian and Borders Police to examine the device following the killing of the Dalkeith schoolgirl.

DI Cravens said that he had used forensic software to determine that the computer had been used to access the internet between around 4.53pm and 5.16pm on June 30.

He added that 131 files had been created on the computer’s hard drive during the internet session.

Prosecutor Alan Turnbull asked him if the files could be retrieved. DI Cravens replied that he had retrieved the files and they were of a "pornographic nature".

Mr Turnbull asked if there were other pornographic images on the computer. Detective Inspector Cravens replied: "There were a lot of pornographic images."

The court heard that the final image which had been accessed before the internet session was ended depicted a man who had been digitally altered so his lower half was that of a naked female.

Defence solicitor Donald Findlay asked DI Cravens if the image was pornographic. He replied: "To an extent. It’s a very odd picture."

Mr Findlay said the image was a "bad taste joke" and asked for the image to be displayed to the court.

He added that the image had in fact been downloaded from a motoring website and that many of the other websites that had been accessed referred to automobiles.

Mr Findlay said: "Not all the sites were pornographic. Many were car-related."

The police report confirmed that the time on Shane Mitchell’s computer was accurate.

It also stated that an internet connection had been open between 4.53pm and 5.16pm on the day Jodi was killed. DI Cravens explained to the court that the internet files which had been accessed were automatically saved on to the hard drive.

He was able to access these files after obtaining the encrypted password from Lothian and Borders Police.

But Mr Findlay queried whether all the pornographic websites which had been stored on the hard drive had actually been opened by the computer’s user. He said that pop-ups often redirect people to alternative sites which may have contained sexual images.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/pc-used-to-access-internet-porn-on-day-that-jodi-died-1-957682#ixzz3s44hW4Tw

[David1819]

Does anyone have or has anyone seen a photo of the crime scene? It allegedly looks similar to the black dahlia case (Elizabeth Short) I find this hard to believe.