The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003

[marty]

I could tell you right now who it was...If you like

[Baz]

I could tell you right now who it was...If you like

Go on....

I wonder if it will be who is top of my suspect list.

[mike tesko]

I could tell you right now who it was...If you like

Enlighten me, and give your reasons for why you believe, or know, what you believe, or know...

[marty]

 It was.... STOCKY MAN, it's a no Brainer to me

[nugnug]

the people with the best cercumstancel case agianst them are john ferris and gordon dickie for some reason i dont think they did it but i think they know a lot more than they are telling.

[Stephanie]

I have no names, stocky man perhaps?
Personally I think a older more powerfull person than luke. I also don't think it was their first time at a crime of this nature. Only my opinion.

It was.... STOCKY MAN, it's a no Brainer to me

Only your opinion.

[Baz]

It was.... STOCKY MAN, it's a no Brainer to me

Didn't they find this guy and eliminate him?

[marty]

Well I'm now convinced stephanie

[Baz]

the people with the best cercumstancel case agianst them are john ferris and gordon dickie for some reason i dont think they did it but i think they know a lot more than they are telling.

I'm with you. They're top of my list but I'm still not convinced. Its the moped being spotted where it was, when it was and unattended that sticks with me. And they never explained why.

[marty]

No, they found a guy at the reconstruction which a witness thought was stocky guy but was not. He has never been found.

[Baz]

No, they found a guy at the reconstruction which a witness thought was stocky guy but was not. He has never been found.

That does ring a bell. It's not a part of the case I know very well.

[nugnug]

ferris and dickie were at a crime scene roughly when the police say the crime happend.

then they lied about the time they were on there.

then they couldent say what they were doing when they were there.

surely you have to say thats suspicious.

[Stephanie]

The discussion just entered a logic-free zone. My ability or willingness to name the "real killer" (even if I could) has absolutely nothing to do with appallingly poor police and judicial processes (and media processes, just to be absolutely clear that they are all interlinked.)

My argument is not, and has never been, "It wasn't Luke who killed Jodi - I know this because it was X." Even if I had the photographs, accounts from witnesses who were standing there when the murder occurred, and a statement in blood from the real killer I STILL wouldn't name him publicly. Why? Because I still believe the proper processes of the CJS are the best protection for everyone, and the real killer would be entitled to the full process of the law, from the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, through the right to protection against prejudicial information being publicised which might jeopardise his right to a fair trial, all the way through to solid evidence, full disclosure to the defence, and juries properly advised and directed. Then, and only then, can we have some assurance that the correct person has been convicted.

And yes, I would argue - even campaign- that the identity of the real killer be kept out of the media prior to trial, even if I personally knew who he was (which I don't.) Because I would not want to see a real perpetrator of a horrible crime "get off" because the rights to which he, however horrible his crimes, was entitled, were breached - that just gets in the way of true justice. Afford him all of his rights, force the police and the courts to do a proper job, and maybe then we'll end up with much more satisfactory outcomes.

"The report’s author, Sandra Lean, who is helping Mitchell’s defence team, said: “When I realised Greens had apparently been regularly in the vicinity at the time, it sent a shiver through my spine. It’s hard to believe no-one has joined the dots since he became so notorious.”

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/mitchell-team-links-greens-to-jodi-killing-1-2114481

Robert Greens news article:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/da-vinci-rapist-robert-greens-1115102

[Stephanie]

Well I'm now convinced stephanie

You are entitled to your opinion. But I disagree with you Marty.

[marty]

We have had this discussion before about Robert greens. I don't think if I remember correctly she said it was greens, I think she said the possibility was never explored, checked out that it could be him.