Author Topic: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003  (Read 730358 times)

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Offline mike tesko

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If the description of the victims injuries have been accurately described, the killer was almost certainly right handed...
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Was a murder weapon found, or identified as the tool which inflicted all the injuries?
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Shane had a very regular girlfriend. He didn't introduce porn, the police did, 10 months later, from internet records. "Watching porn" is also very misleading - records show he connected with a number of car sites, with what appear to be "pop ups" of a few seconds each appearing intermittently over the 15 minutes or so the internet was connected. These are the "porn sites" which allowed the prosecution to introduce the whole "watching porn" story in order to undermine Luke's

So, he wasn't actually connected to any dedicated porn sites? That's way beyond misleading. Did df point this out?

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Was a murder weapon found, or identified as the tool which inflicted all the injuries?

No

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I'm bothering because people like you, Baz and nugnug (sorry if I've missed anyone) actually seem to want to discuss the case intelligently and respectfully. I'm fairly sure there are others out there who are interested, who read but don't post - I just like to make sure they have as much information as possible so that they can make up their own minds.

Its not about trying to "convince" anyone of anything (and especially not Stephanie, John or Lithium) - I'm just here passing on information, correcting wrong information, pointing out flaws in arguments where I see them - people are, of course, free to make whatever they will of that.

If I don't do this, then it's all the false and misleading inforrmation that gets left out there, and that's what people are left with to draw their conclusions from - that just doesn't sit right with me.


SANDRA what is it you know about the Mitchell's that you told Stephanie about that is so bad it changed her mind.

You were bound to know that this would happen when you told her anything.

Sorry, I missed this. I can tell you exactly what changed Stephanie's mind about Luke (and about others maintaining innocence whom she'd previously supported) - Simon's confession.

When Simon confessed, Stephanie leapt to the conclusion that, since Simon had been so convincing that he'd "taken everybody in" then all of the others must be doing the same. She wasted no time contacting people (including family members of convicted persons) to tell them why their support of people maintaining innocence was misguided.

So it wasn't anything I said that changed Stephanie's mind, whatever she may want to claim now. I haven't spoken with Stephanie in more than 19 months

Sandra it's because of disingenuous statements you make like this -

"Its not about trying to "convince" anyone of anything (and especially not Stephanie, John or Lithium) - I'm just here passing on information, correcting wrong information, pointing out flaws in arguments where I see them - people are, of course, free to make whatever they will of that.
If I don't do this, then it's all the false and misleading inforrmation that gets left out there, and that's what people are left with to draw their conclusions from - that just doesn't sit right with me."


that some of us also believe you to be 'sneaky,' as lithium has pointed out in a previous post.

I clearly said it was because of things you had told me about the Mitchell family that my opinion had changed.
 
Marty's question clearly asked you what it was you had said to me about THE MITCHELL'S.

And you clearly IGNORED my previous FACTUAL statement and the question posed by Marty and instead gave a completely different slant on things - YOUR PRESUMPTUOUS, MADE UP VERSION!

YOUR VERSION where you try to convince others of FALSE and MISLEADING EVENTS/INFORMATION.

Hence why you make me laugh...  ::)

Though I say again - I do feel for those people that get taken in by your stories!
« Last Edit: November 19, 2015, 11:08:AM by stephanie »
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So it wasn't anything I said that changed Stephanie's mind, whatever she may want to claim now. I haven't spoken with Stephanie in more than 19 months

Sandra did answer his question with her point of view. If you deny this why not share what information she told you that changed your mind?

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So, he wasn't actually connected to any dedicated porn sites? That's way beyond misleading. Did df point this out?

I feel like whether Shane is looking at cars of porn or some mix of the two is sort of irrelevant.

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Sandra did answer his question with her point of view. If you deny this why not share what information she told you that changed your mind?

One more time just for you Baz.......

Sandra it's because of disingenuous statements you make like this -

"Its not about trying to "convince" anyone of anything (and especially not Stephanie, John or Lithium) - I'm just here passing on information, correcting wrong information, pointing out flaws in arguments where I see them - people are, of course, free to make whatever they will of that.
If I don't do this, then it's all the false and misleading inforrmation that gets left out there, and that's what people are left with to draw their conclusions from - that just doesn't sit right with me."


that some of us also believe you to be 'sneaky,' as lithium has pointed out in a previous post.

I clearly said it was because of things you had told me about the Mitchell family that my opinion had changed.
 
Marty's question clearly asked you what it was you had said to me about THE MITCHELL'S.

And you clearly IGNORED my previous FACTUAL statement and the question posed by Marty and instead gave a completely different slant on things - YOUR PRESUMPTUOUS, MADE UP VERSION!

YOUR VERSION where you try to convince others of FALSE and MISLEADING EVENTS/INFORMATION.

Hence why you make me laugh...  ::)

Though I say again - I do feel for those people that get taken in by your stories!
“The only people who are mad at you for telling the truth are those people who are living a lie. Keep telling the truth"

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One more time just for you Baz.......

One more time for you then.....

You say you changed your mind because of things Sandra said to you... As you have highlighted in bold.

Sandra says she didn't tell you anything to change your mind.... As I highlighted by quoting that part.

So you could clear it up by saying what this information, that Sandra told you, is.
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Sandra did answer his question with her point of view. If you deny this why not share what information she told you that changed your mind?

Sandra answered his question with her spin, posting it as though it were fact. Tut tut Sandra!

As per my signature:

“Honesty has a power that very few people can handle"

« Last Edit: November 19, 2015, 11:38:AM by stephanie »
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Sandra answered his question with her spin, posting it as though it were fact. Tut tut Sandra!

You've avoided my point yet again. If it is not fact then refute it with facts i.e the information that changed your mind.

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You've avoided my point yet again. If it is not fact then refute it with facts i.e the information that changed your mind.

I've not avoided your point. I've already stated it was to do with the Mitchell family and dysfunction.

It's up to Sandra to be frank with you and everyone else. She was the person who told me what she had witnessed first hand. She was the one who was upset, and I quote, about the 10 years of her life she had wasted....

She was the one who thanked me for opening up her mind to personality disordered individuals.



« Last Edit: November 19, 2015, 11:47:AM by stephanie »
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I've not avoided your point. I've already stated it was to do with the Mitchell family and dysfunction.

It's up to Sandra to be frank with you and everyone else. She was the person who told me what she had witnessed first hand. She was the one who was upset, and I quote, about the 10 years of her life she had wasted....


It all sounds a bit disingenuous to me. You say you're not avoiding my point but then you again offer no details about this groundbreaking information.

Why would she still be spending her time arguing for his innocence if she felt she had information that proved his guilt?! That makes no sense!!

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It all sounds a bit disingenuous to me. You say you're not avoiding my point but then you again offer no details about this groundbreaking information.

Why would she still be spending her time arguing for his innocence if she felt she had information that proved his guilt?! That makes no sense!!

As I've pointed out it is up to Sandra to explain herself not me. She told me things in confidence and while I may have put her on the spot it's up to her if she see fit to publicly reveal the details. That's all I've got to say about the subject.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2015, 12:15:PM by stephanie »
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As I've pointed out it up to Sandra to explain herself not me. She told me things in confidence and while I may have put her on the spot it's up to her if she see fit to publicly reveal the details. That's all I've got to say about the subject.

I thought as much.

I guess honesty also has a power that some can't wield either.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2015, 12:07:PM by Baz »