Author Topic: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003  (Read 730351 times)

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Offline marty

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If he wasn't watching porn at the time Jody was being killed, I should think it is a huge clue to his culpability. How did he know what time Jodie had actually been killed, to make him introduce his own alibi, and contradict his younger brothers alibi? If phone records were checked, and he had a mobile phone, I reckon its odds on that he was with Jody when she was killed. That's my take on it, anyway. In a nutshell, Shane Mitchell is more likely to be the killer, that his younger brother Luke. If Shane didn't do it, then as sure as hell, neither did Luke...

To be fair mike, I think you need to read a good deal more about the case before you come to any conclusions. I do believe Shane is as likely the killer as luke is though, but in my opinion, it wasn't Shane.

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Without mentioning names I'm not the only person on here who is questioning your posts. Again, you cause others of not giving answers. It's clear you are doing the same.

No need to mention names - I can guess  ;D ;D

I say again, so be it. But these 'people' must be really bored with their own lives if all they can think to do is mock mine! They sound jealous, why would my name randomly come into their heads?
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To be fair mike, I think you need to read a good deal more about the case before you come to any conclusions. I do believe Shane is as likely the killer as luke is though, but in my opinion, it wasn't Shane.

I do need to read up some more on this case, I agree, I was just giving an insight into my thoughts based on the little I know thus far. To me, Alarm bells ring when I find out one brother introduces an alibi, at the expense of his younger brothers alibi, with little regard for the consequences for his younger brother. From what I have read about the case thus far, I don't like the sound of Shane, what he has said, and the reason for saying what he said. His account is too pat. He appears to have known about the actual time of Jodies death, whereas in contrast, Luke simply has no idea, hence why he maintained he was at home preparing tea, with his mother, and big brother. I believe Luke has told the truth about this, it is true because Luke didn't have any involvement in the attack on Jodie, but his brother Shane, probably did...
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My monies on Shane being the culprit, and Luke being the Patsy...
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No need to mention names - I can guess  ;D ;D

I say again, so be it. But these 'people' must be really bored with your own lives if all they can think to do is mock mine! They sound jealous, why would my name randomly come into their heads?

I personally haven't been talking to anyone. I am coming to this conclusion from posts on this thread. The only things I know about you ( apart from the obvious) are what I have read here. Not mocking , want logical answers.

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I personally haven't been talking to anyone. I am coming to this conclusion from posts on this thread. The only things I know about you ( apart from the obvious) are what I have read here. Not mocking , want logical answers.

Fair enough. I'll leave you to debate with Nugnug and Baz  ;D  ;D
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Fair enough. I'll leave you to debate with Nugnug and Baz  ;D  ;D

Why drag me into it. Least I'm not 'Baz' anymore.

You say you want to discuss the case, but you don't answer a question when it's asked.

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How long had the victim been dead by the time the body was discovered? ...What is the alleged time of death?
ToD claimed to be 5.15pm, body found at 11.30  - 11.35pm. No time of death ever established.

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How many times was the victim stabbed? Additionally, which parts of the body sustained stab wound injuries, and at what angle were they inflicted? Did the victim have any defensive wounds, or marks?
Cut-throat injuries, 12 - 20, claimed to be "bi directional" - alost decapitated. Knife forced into her mouth, piercing a tonsil (but not damaging teeth). 2 severe cuts to the abdomen, one to the left breast, slashed cheek to lip, earlobe, smaller cuts to forehead eyes, bridge of nose, hairline. Defensive wounds to arms were extensive -left arm almost cut right through. Angle of all other injuries apart from throat never ascertained. Bruises to back of hands and knuckles.

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Was the killer left handed, or right handed

Never established.

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Where were the victims clothes found?
Bra, one strap cut through, the other missing, hooks pulled out of shape, pants, t-shirt cut into two pieces, shirt and shoes all within a few feet of the body. Glasses (one lense broken, legs bent outwards) and two one pound coins found a little further away. Hoodie further away still. Other bra strap discarded in some foliage.

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I take it, his brother Shane did not have a regular girlfriend at the time of the murder? If he wasn't watching porn at the time Jody was being killed, I should think it is a huge clue to his culpability. How did he know what time Jodie had actually been killed, to make him introduce his own alibi, and contradict his younger brothers alibi? If phone records were checked, and he had a mobile phone, I reckon its odds on that he was with Jody when she was killed. That's my take on it, anyway.

Shane had a very regular girlfriend. He didn't introduce porn, the police did, 10 months later, from internet records. "Watching porn" is also very misleading - records show he connected with a number of car sites, with what appear to be "pop ups" of a few seconds each appearing intermittently over the 15 minutes or so the internet was connected. These are the "porn sites" which allowed the prosecution to introduce the whole "watching porn" story in order to undermine Luke's alibi.

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I do need to read up some more on this case, I agree, I was just giving an insight into my thoughts based on the little I know thus far. To me, Alarm bells ring when I find out one brother introduces an alibi, at the expense of his younger brothers alibi, with little regard for the consequences for his younger brother. From what I have read about the case thus far, I don't like the sound of Shane, what he has said, and the reason for saying what he said. His account is too pat. He appears to have known about the actual time of Jodies death, whereas in contrast, Luke simply has no idea, hence why he maintained he was at home preparing tea, with his mother, and big brother. I believe Luke has told the truth about this, it is true because Luke didn't have any involvement in the attack on Jodie, but his brother Shane, probably did...

As previously, he did not "introduce an alibi" - for 10 months, police accepted that he came home from work around quarter to 5 (fitting with other witness statements regarding when he left after looking at the car), went straight upstairs, washed his hands, and went on the internet (fitting with timings of logs etc) - there was no time for Shane to have been the murderer if Jodi died at 5.15pm.

Phone logs were never sought - it is known that the technlogy existed in 2003 to have tracked movement of phones, but it was not used - the defence was refused funding on the basis that their chosen expert (probably the leading UK expert at the time) was too expensive. Jodi's phone was broken, so she did not have a phone with her. Luke did, as did Janine, and Alice Walker. Kelly said he did not have his phone with him.

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If prosecution or police pursued such a line of enquiry, and because it didn't suit their case, then the information will have been filed away in one or two locations, (1) Unused material, or (2) withheld under pii..

Or alternatively, did not pursue because they were afraid it would destroy their case. There were a number of accounts of movements and alibis of others which are questionable - checking the phone mast records of those may have opened a huge can of worms which the police would not have wanted opened.

Also, such checks would, I believe, have shown that Luke's phone did not move out of the Newbattle area that evening until he went up the path at 11 o'clock looking for Jodi, which would also have destroyed the prosecution case that he had gone up the path before 5pm, in order to have met with Jodi at the Easthouses end at 4.54pm, in order to have been her killer.

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I do not ask these questions from some sort of sick desire to spell out all of the details of Jodi's injuries (nor am I blind to the rather obvious crumbs being dropped here in an attempt to lead me down certain paths!) Rather, I'm suggesting that we need clear definitions of terms being used, in order to avoid confusion or misunderstanding later.

Cut-throat injuries, 12 - 20, claimed to be "bi directional" - alost decapitated. Knife forced into her mouth, piercing a tonsil (but not damaging teeth). 2 severe cuts to the abdomen, one to the left breast, slashed cheek to lip, earlobe, smaller cuts to forehead eyes, bridge of nose, hairline. Defensive wounds to arms were extensive -left arm almost cut right through. Angle of all other injuries apart from throat never ascertained. Bruises to back of hands and knuckles.


For anyone genuinely interested - here's a classic example of how Sandra contradicts herself....
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Or alternatively, did not pursue because they were afraid it would destroy their case. There were a number of accounts of movements and alibis of others which are questionable - checking the phone mast records of those may have opened a huge can of worms which the police would not have wanted opened.

Also, such checks would, I believe, have shown that Luke's phone did not move out of the Newbattle area that evening until he went up the path at 11 o'clock looking for Jodi, which would also have destroyed the prosecution case that he had gone up the path before 5pm, in order to have met with Jodi at the Easthouses end at 4.54pm, in order to have been her killer.

You have no firm evidence of this Sandra - it is pure speculation on your part!
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I am left in no doubt, that the cost of introducing the telephone technology to support Luke Mitchells alibi affected the outcome of his trial. I am also certain that the police did take this approach, and did obtain phone records, and if they did, there was nothing to incriminate Luke Mitchell, otherwise, the prosecution would have utilised this information. By the same token, that same information would be of significance to the defence case. As I have previously said, if police sought and obtained phone records but chose not to rely upon any of it, these records will have been retained, and could be accessed if requested...
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Plotting the phone masts of the different network providers insitu in the surrounding area at the time of the murders would be a good starting point. All the different network providers have their own masts, but they piggy back off (from and to) one another. A mobile phones position used to be plotable by use of triangulation, but nowadays it's also done via and with use of satellite technology...
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I am left in no doubt, that the cost of introducing the telephone technology to support Luke Mitchells alibi affected the outcome of his trial. I am also certain that the police did take this approach, and did obtain phone records, and if they did, there was nothing to incriminate Luke Mitchell, otherwise, the prosecution would have utilised this information. By the same token, that same information would be of significance to the defence case. As I have previously said, if police sought and obtained phone records but chose not to rely upon any of it, these records will have been retained, and could be accessed if requested...

That's an interesting point. Is there anything held under pii in this case.

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That's an interesting point. Is there anything held under pii in this case.
If that law applies in scotland?