The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003

[Stephanie]

I don't think they "fitted him up" in a conscious effort, but more that they believed him to be guilty and tried to find everything they could to prove it rather than an evidence led investigation.

Why do that? What did they have to gain? Do you think the police would have been happy to convict an innocent boy leaving Jodi's killer at large?

[nugnug]

bary gorsge and steven kisko colin stag in reality was fairly normal but that not what the proscution made out .

all 3 wrongly acused 2 wrongly convicted.

[Baz]

Why do that? What did they have to gain? Do you think the police would have been happy to convict an innocent boy leaving Jodi's killer at large?

Because they thought he was guilty. Certainly not the first time that has ever happened.

[Stephanie]

its hard to get your dirty agian in such a short time.

Several hours? Is it? 

[Stephanie]

Because they thought he was guilty. Certainly not the first time that has ever happened.

It was the jury who convicted him. It was the jury who listened to all the evidence presented to them and took just over 5 hours to convict him. Luke had a top lawyer representing him.

I believe LM to be personality disordered.

[Baz]

It was the jury who convicted him. It was the jury who listened to all the evidence presented to them and took just over 5 hours to convict him. Luke had a top lawyer representing him.

I believe LM to be personality disordered.

Well yes, of course it was. But the prosecution is based upon the police investigation.

In this trial they'd probably accept your belief as evidence.

[Stephanie]

I believe he presented with quite apparent conduct disorders - drugs, knives, sexually active at 12?, into pornography, interests in the occult. Difficulty showing emotion. Etc etc

"It is well known that addiction and mental health problems go hand in hand for youth. While depression, PTSD, anxiety, ADHD, and eating disorders get the bulk of the attention, it might surprise you to find out that Conduct Disorder is by far and away the most common mental health diagnosis in young addicts. It’s not even close. And Conduct Disorder is that very ominous risk factor for developing antisocial personality in adulthood, alternately referred to as sociopathy in the mainstream (I will use antisocial behaviors and sociopathy interchangeably, but some refer to sociopathy as only the very extreme of antisocial tendencies)."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-home-is-not-democracy/201306/is-my-child-sociopath

[nugnug]

Several hours? Is it? 

that dirty yes sso dirty its mated.

[nugnug]

I believe he presented with quite apparent conduct disorders - drugs, knives, sexually active at 12?, into pornography, interests in the occult. Difficulty showing emotion. Etc etc

"It is well known that addiction and mental health problems go hand in hand for youth. While depression, PTSD, anxiety, ADHD, and eating disorders get the bulk of the attention, it might surprise you to find out that Conduct Disorder is by far and away the most common mental health diagnosis in young addicts. It’s not even close. And Conduct Disorder is that very ominous risk factor for developing antisocial personality in adulthood, alternately referred to as sociopathy in the mainstream (I will use antisocial behaviors and sociopathy interchangeably, but some refer to sociopathy as only the very extreme of antisocial tendencies)."

one ive never heard of him having an intrest and if its true how is it unuasual for a teenager to look at porn.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-home-is-not-democracy/201306/is-my-child-sociopath

[Stephanie]

I would suggest you need to read up on your understanding of the case.

"The prosecution highlighted his knife-carrying and cannabis smoking, and claimed he had told another teenager that he knew the way "to slit someone's throat".

"Just because I am more violent than others and cut myself, does that justify some pompous git of a teacher to refer me to a psychiatrist?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4187007.stm

"The court heard how Mitchell liked horror films and occasionally read porn magazines and that he had bought the Marilyn Manson DVD The Golden Age of Grotesque two days after Jodi's death"


As I've repeatedly pointed out - it's not a case of looking at these things in isolation, it's about seeing the bigger picture. When you look at all of Luke Mitchell's 'interests' for want of a better word at such a young age, I'd say you are looking at a disordered individual.

[nugnug]

so agian how is unuasul for a teenager to ocasionaly look at porn.

[nugnug]

so agian how is unuasul for a teenager to ocasionaly look at porn.

[Stephanie]

"However unpalatable the discussion may be, not addressing such important personality traits directly is akin to neglecting poor diet and exercise in a patient with heart disease. Would we avoid a talk on morbid obesity for those struggling with metabolic syndrome to spare the awkwardness? The relationship between sociopathy and addiction is well established and research is equally clear in demonstrating the influence of young antisocial behaviors on various clinical risks, prognoses, and trajectories. Youth with conduct disorder are more likely to have ADHD and future substance abuse and depression and a slew of other negative outcomes."

"While we avoid using terms like conduct disorder and antisocial traits in describing our children with the best of intentions, we should also understand that denying the impact of such behaviors on their course can be folly. Such reasoning comes from the same wishful thinking that assumes all children were whole and "pure" before using drugs, which then leads to the misguided notion that sobriety from drugs alone will restore them to their prior state of innocence. In my clinical duties, I too often field “elephant in the room” questions from fearful parents who rightfully (and secretly) suspected early antisocial behaviors in their child, long before the grips of addiction or other psychiatric complications took hold. They noticed a lack of empathy for siblings, a propensity to be undaunted by consequences, an uncanny ability to manipulate while calmly masking any feelings of remorse or apprehension, and the like."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-home-is-not-democracy/201306/is-my-child-sociopath

[Stephanie]

For Nugnug....

Signs of sociopathic tendencies
Misbehavior, immature, reckless, naive; these are the kinds of words that probably pop into your head every time you witness or hear about your minor engaging in an inappropriate behavior. However, that’s not a very valid presumption to make, as some of the things they’re doing may be signs of tendencies and features present in people who are sociopaths.

A couple of notable traits in kids harboring the tendency to develop this personality disorder is the lack of regard for the feelings of others and affinity for violent content. They think little of physically bullying, emotional harassment, spreading rumors, or targeting someone over the Internet. These acts of bullying may rarely, if ever, be followed by remorse. While they are insensitive towards others on one hand, they tend to be hypersensitive on the other, displaying an extremely aggressive reaction when ticked off. They my get involved in physical altercation, or even swearing, thus showing an impulsive behavior and uncontrollable anger. Of course, their affinity for violent content, be it in games, comics, cartoons, of films, would have already made it quite obvious that things such as blood and pain hardly have a cringe effect on them, thus leaving them disassociated with the feelings that the person they are attacking physically or verbally may be experiencing.

http://www.secureteen.com/juvenile-delinquency/sociopathic-tendencies-your-teen-may-be-spiraling-towards-trouble/

[Stephanie]

Sandra there's really no point in you even replying any more if you don't actually want to discuss anything worth while. Almost every response from you to someone pointing out Mitchell acting strangely (seriously, look over your posts) is "well so did *****!", this doesn't support Luke's innocence or help him in any way and it's why your campaign went nowhere. None of these other people were found guilty of the murder, of course it's Luke's behaviour we are putting under analysis. Saying "but the family did it too" isn't an explanation. No point responding unless you're wiling to attempt to actually provide innocent explanations for his strange actions.

I think it's called 'minimising.'