Author Topic: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003  (Read 1055506 times)

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Offline sandra L

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"They suspected him because of his lack of emotion and strange behaviour."

(1) Not according to the police - they suspected him for a number of reasons, all of them based on misinformation and misunderstandings, but their official reason for suspecting Luke was the "discrepancies between his accounts and the accounts of the family search trio." One problem here - by July 3rd, there were no discrepancies. The search trio and Luke were all telling exactly the same story - in fact, until July 30th, they were pretty much all telling the same story.

(2) Not according to the statements of the family search trio - Janine said she knew from the "concern in Luke's voice" that he had found something bad behind the wall. She said "His eyes were wider than normal, like he was in a state of shock." Kelly described Luke as, variously "scared," nervous" and "jumpy." Janine said "we were all in hysterics. Kelly said, "We were all so upset.

So where's the lack of emotion or strange behaviour?

Offline marty

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I think to be fair sandra, df must take his share of the blame for a lot the jury never heard.

Offline marty

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Yeah findlays a rubbish wee lawyer, doesn't know what he's doing. If only Sandra was there.

If the trousers were so irrelevant why did Findlay feel he had to explain it away at the trial?

HAHAHA

Offline sandra L

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For Lithium, step by step.

The "expert" raising the trousers/dna evidence was challenged by Findlay to explain, clearly and lucidly to the jury, the relevance of the "evidence" just raised.

Amidst much waffling, the expert was forced to concede that the trousers/dna could not, in any way, be linked to the murder, the murder scene, or to draw any assumption, however feeble, of a link between the two.

It was, in fact, the "expert" who broke the rules here, and Findlay who stomped all over it. Finday handled that particularly well - he didn't "feel he had to explain it away" - he demonstrated, quite clearly, that the "expert" was making false claims about the relevance of the DNA sample on the trousers

However, an objection had been raised to that false evidence being heard by the jury, on the basis that it was prejudicial and without foundation, and that objection was over-ruled - the jury heard it anyway, in its full prejudicial form.

The rules of our courts are quite clear - the probative value of any evidence must outweigh its prejudicial effect - didn't happen here.

Offline sandra L

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I think to be fair sandra, df must take his share of the blame for a lot the jury never heard.

I totally agree, but again, there's more to it than just that. I have to call it a night at this point - will come back to talk about this point tomorrow evening

Offline Baz

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I've been reading about the trial. is it usual for the judge to basically say there's enough evidence to find him guilty if you believe the evidence?

Offline marty

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Would be funnier if not for the fact you require 0 evidence (of which there's none) to convince you he's not guilty.

I see you don't reply to sandra cause you get ripped a new one.
You will find I addressed that a few pages ago. Will find it if you like but am sure you read it. :)

Offline marty

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Is this not after conviction at appeal. I only looked at the first one to be honest.
I meant evidence that convicted in the first place.
DNA
Positive I'd
Forensics
Recovery of clothes
Murder weapon
Right to a fair trial.
Believable motive
A time line not manipulated by 40 minutes suit by police
Failure to follow up other possibilities

There it is

Offline marty

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I've been reading about the trial. is it usual for the judge to basically say there's enough evidence to find him guilty if you believe the evidence?


Looking for a conviction perhaps

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Give yourself a break, you spout stuff you have read in the papers or rumours as the truth. Where as sl has had all the case files an terms you on all points cause she is telling the truth and you have no answer.

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Show me the proof that convicted

Offline marty

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Sandra's not telling me anything I don't already know. She still has no evidence or clue if Luke's innocent.

I think it's lack of evidence that's the telling factor

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I'm not from Edinburgh mate , why?

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Your talking about things that didn't exist, hence not found, so you can't call that evidence. Give me something concrete shown in court like a knife, jacket. The carving is evidence of what?

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Can I ask what first got you interested in this case?


A couple of people I know from the area were talking about it one night. They were convinced of innocence and knew the two of them. They told me who they thought it was, but I don't agree. I read into it a lot more which convinced me they were right. No chance he was capable or it was him.