Author Topic: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003  (Read 1055536 times)

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If they didn't believe the alibi they have proved it. The jury called them liars in a court of law, they have to be guilty.

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Anyway, would love to debate with you longer but am up early..cheers, till next time.

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The police also interviewed around 3000 people even though they 'never bothered to investigate because they already decided it was Luke.'

This is interesting. That does sound like quite a lot.

Were there other suspects investigated as thoroughly as Luke? As in were there a list of suspects that were whittled down thoroughly?

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The police also interviewed around 3000 people even though they 'never bothered to investigate because they already decided it was Luke.'

they claimed to have done but there's only there word for that.

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What we do know is that she had no issue with breaking the law for her son and lying about it in court. She denied lying to a tattoo parlour about Luke's age so he could get some hideous flaming skull tattoo (for his 15th birthday I believe.) She denied this in the witness stand despite staff from the tattoo parlour confirming her presence and consent, and her signature and fingerprints being on the consent form.

Source: http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7 (Section 24)

This is the same mother who was pictured sharing cigarettes with her 14 year old son at Jodi's grave which they had been asked to stay away from by the victim's family. You'll find these pictures online of her standing at Jodi's grave in high heels and shirt tied up to expose her midriff, muzzled Alsatian by her side, and sharing and flicking cigarettes on the ground while clinging to her son like a besotted school girl. She also didn't mind him smoking weed and bought him a new knife not long after the murder.

well thats got no relvance to weather he did or not and shouldent really been used in court.

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The problem here, nugug, is that 6 other family members knew they were on the path (according to various statements) and none of them thought to mention it to the police, or tell them to contact the police themselves.

For example, one of the mothers (Dickie's, from memory) saw the police appeal for the boys on the moped to come forward and said to him "the police are looking for you." She knew what time his jobcentre appointment was, and she knew the arrangement was for Ferris to pick him up on the moped afterwards (she drove him up for petrol for the bike). If Ferris's claim that he lied to the gran about the time they were on the path was true, Dickie's mother must have known it was a lie - they were all talking to each other throughout that whole week.

well i would of thought there familys would of rocognised the description of them on the moped but not necessarly.

Another relative said Ferris had told her he was on the path (at the time he was actually on the path, not the earlier, dishonest time) and that he'd said on July 1st he was going to go to the police.

How, with so many people knowing they were on the path at the very time police were claiming Jodi was murdered, did they manage to keep it from the police? Again, I'm not saying these two were involved in anything, I'm saying managing to keep this information out of a massive police investigation, when so many people so close to the victim knew about it, clearly had an impact on the direction (and claimed robustness) of the first week of the investigation.

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What we do know is that she had no issue with breaking the law for her son and lying about it in court. She denied lying to a tattoo parlour about Luke's age so he could get some hideous flaming skull tattoo (for his 15th birthday I believe.) She denied this in the witness stand despite staff from the tattoo parlour confirming her presence and consent, and her signature and fingerprints being on the consent form.

Source: http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7 (Section 24)

This is the same mother who was pictured sharing cigarettes with her 14 year old son at Jodi's grave which they had been asked to stay away from by the victim's family. You'll find these pictures online of her standing at Jodi's grave in high heels and shirt tied up to expose her midriff, muzzled Alsatian by her side, and sharing and flicking cigarettes on the ground while clinging to her son like a besotted school girl. She also didn't mind him smoking weed and bought him a new knife not long after the murder.

More concrete evidence of murder

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This is interesting. That does sound like quite a lot.

Were there other suspects investigated as thoroughly as Luke? As in were there a list of suspects that were whittled down thoroughly?

In a word, no.

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It wasn't used as evidence, someone asked if Corinne would lie and I was highlighting that she already had. I touched on the unhealthy and inappropriate behaviour because it shows that we can't judge Corinne Mitchell by 'normal mum' standards.

Who are you to say that? What are you talking about? You have no idea who was investigated and how thoroughly as you weren't there. Concrete argument though.  ::)

No, I do. What did dobie say they suspected luke from as early as the second.

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It wasn't used as evidence, someone asked if Corinne would lie and I was highlighting that she already had. I touched on the unhealthy and inappropriate behaviour because it shows that we can't judge Corinne Mitchell by 'normal

Your are trying to post it here as evidence that Corrine must have lied about her son committing murder because she let him smoke in a graveyard, get a tattoo, wears a short top and high heels.
That's it I've changed my mind, obviously guilty.

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There were between 2 and 3000 statements taken - not that number of people interviewed. Dozens of kids whose statements started "I have been asked what I know of Luke Mitchell," (one lad's statement begins like that and continues "I don't know why, because I don't know him and have never met him!")

35 statements from neighbours talking about the log burner (none of whom noticed anything "untoward" that night).

Multiple statements from particular witnesses - I recall working out that there were, on average, something like 8 statements for every one of Jodi's family (including extended family members)

Of those statements, literally dozens of them were from police officers simply logging what they did at certain stages of the investigation - i.e. "I was tasked with patrolling the grounds of St David's High School the day the pupils returned" and so on.

There may have been 2 - 3000 statements, but how many of them were actually the result of genuine investigation (rather than simply attempts to gather damning information about Luke?)

For accuracy, Corinne's fingerprints were never found on the form from the tattoo parlour, nor was her signature on it. A single thumbprint from Luke was identified, which would be expected, since he signed the form. I've said before, the only thing Corinne was guilty of in the tattoo episode was being Luke's mother, and she certainly never denied that! Seriously, can you imagine - "I've come for a tattoo, I'm over 18 and I've brought my mum along to prove it" - please!

The males close to Jodi were not "ruled out one by one." Their stories were either accepted at face value, or the police handed them "innocent explanations" - SK and Janine both say, in statements "I have been asked if it is possible the t shirt Jodi was wearing that night belonged to me/Janine." That'll be the T shirt that had Kelly's DNA from bodily fluids on it.

Ferris and Dickie were "ruled out" before police discovered they'd lied, Ferris cut his hair, and before the DNA results had been returned. So, on what basis were they ruled out? The statements from the witnesses that proved they were lying were not taken until two months later - by which time the investigation was hurtling full pelt down the "Luke Mitchell's our murderer" route.

What about Falconer? His condom was found in the early hours of the morning, he lived a stone's throw from the murder scene, police were in his house on the second day of the investigation, and still they didn't connect the DNA from that condom with him - took them another three and a half years. Then they ruled him out again, even though his own story meant he would have literally have had to step over Jodi's body twice, in daylight, on the evening of June 30th.

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I'm not trying anything, I'm telling you as a matter of fact that Corinne lied in the witness box about this particular incident. The discussion was originally about her perverting the course of justice. I provided an example of when she demonstrably lied in court.
they claimed to have done but there's only there word for that.
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Dobie also claimed it was the finest investigation that he  had ever seen... we all know that's a lot of pish :)

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No, as previously stated, 3000 people were not interviewed.

The DNA on Luke's trousers was actually on a pair of trousers which had been in a bag in his room for several days - there was nothing to connect those trousers to the murder/murder scene, and the forensics expert who raised this in court was shot down in flames. There was no DNA from Luke on Jodi's body or clothing - that is none. One exert tried to claim that partial profiles on Jodi matched "parts of" Luke's profile - she too, was forced to concede that that could not be claimed as a "match" to anyone

Here's how desperate they were to make a connection via DNA - one report flags up a partial profile from the crime scene as one fom which "Luke could not be eliminated as a contributor." That means some of the "markers" from Luke's profile matched some of the "markers" from the sample found. The report, however, concludes that this particular marker could be expected to appear in the profiles of ... are you ready ... 1 in every 2 people.

No full DNA profile from Luke was found at the murder scene, ever. One full DNA match to Jodi was found on a pair of trousers in Luke's house - other testing ruled that sample out as having been deposited the day/night of the murder. Really, if they'd had a full profile from Jodi on any article of Luke's that linked it to the murder, does anyone really believe they wouldn't have hammered that home at trial?

"The jury heard both sides" ... oh no, they most certainy did not. What about the education professional who was ready to give testimony that the scribblings on Luke's jotters were "tame" in comparison to many she'd seen over the years? What about the witnesses ready to testify about Luke's love of animals, and his kindness towards them? What about the positive identifications of people who were still, by the time of trial, being claimed as "untraced." What about the 35 people who not only said there was nothing untoward about the log burner that evening, but several of them spoke of the citronella candle which had gone up in flames a week later, causing a "strong smell" to permeate all the homes in that particular "block?" Not one of them before the jury.
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They suspected him because his lack of emotion and strange behaviour, that doesn't mean they didn't investigate anybody else. As I previously mentioned, over 3000 people were witnessed by L&B. While they couldn't link him forensically (murder weapon and jacket vanishing off the face of the Earth, and DNA having an innocent explanation due to them being a couple*) in the end the circumstantial evidence was just too damning. To think he almost got away with it, scary thought.

*yes Luke's DNA were found on Jodi, and her's on his trousers. Findlay had to provide an innocent explaination for this at the trial. If you've read the Wrongly Accused site you've probably saw them saying there wasn't a shred of DNA linking Luke to the scene - simply untrue and dishonest.

I'd like to know how Luke could describe to police what Jodi was wearing at the time of the murder if he hadn't seen her since school and she had changed. He even described a hair 'scrunchie' which was covered by Jodi's hair at the murder scene.

Now you are just being naughty now. You know fine well the DNA on the trousers were from a pair that were nothing to do with the murder and were taken from Luke's home with hundreds of other items for testing. As discussed by you 100 pages ago by you on this thread. And it was only jodi on his trousers.


Posting newspaper articles as fact doesn't help
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