The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003

[Lithium]

to be honest im undecided as to why they picked luke.

Maybe due to the fact Luke and his family couldn't quite agree on where he was and what he was doing at the time of the murder. Did anyone elses alibi fall to pieces in such a shambolic way?

thank you NugNug. Seems like they had to make him appear as a "monster" to get a conviction - and say his perfectly innocent phone calls were part of the plan. Ring any bells with another case?

It wasn't the police who convicted him though was it, it was a jury of his peers, even after having one of the most high profile lawyers in Scotland defend him.

In an era of Pay-and-go mobile phones, it's highly unlikely a teenager would call a premium rate phone number to find out the time if he was indeed at home surrounded by clocks. I don't believe there is any 'innocent' explanation for that. Common sense dictates he was not at home was paying premium rate for the exact time as he had to get his story straight.

[Lithium]

Speaking of Donald Findlay...

I haven't been able to watch the whole program yet, but Tobin was jailed in 1994, and served 9 years before coming back to Scotland - that would be... 2003, then?

It was Peter Tobin! case closed.

 

Cringe worthy stuff.

[nugnug]

Maybe due to the fact Luke and his family couldn't quite agree on where he was and what he was doing at the time of the murder. Did anyone elses alibi fall to pieces in such a shambolic way?

It wasn't the police who convicted him though was it, it was a jury of his peers, even after having one of the most high profile lawyers in Scotland defend him.

In an era of Pay-and-go mobile phones, it's highly unlikely a teenager would call a premium rate phone number to find out the time if he was indeed at home surrounded by clocks. I don't believe there is any 'innocent' explanation for that. Common sense dictates he was not at home was paying premium rate for the exact time as he had to get his story straight.

did anyone elses albi fall to pieces well yes just about that is of course the people who had albis.

at the end of the day its wasnt lukees sperm that was found at the scene.


as this artical will show theres nothing starnge about phoning the speaking clock.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/tories-call-speaking-clock-number-2957055

[Lithium]

as this artical will show theres nothing starnge about phoning the speaking clock.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/tories-call-speaking-clock-number-2957055

Nowhere in this article does it mention people phoning the speaking clock while at home, which is what was unusual about Luke's calls to it. If anything your article confirms my point, the Tories wanted to avoid paying the premium rate costs so why would a teenager with a pay and go mobile want to waste his credit on it if there were other clocks available?

"as this artical will show theres nothing starnge about phoning the speaking clock."

If there's nothing strange about it, it wouldn't be a news article. 

Luke phoning the speaking clock at a time he claimed to be at home is terribly damning and there's nothing you can do to make the fact go away.

[nugnug]

he wasnt paying the bill his mum was

[Jan]

Maybe due to the fact Luke and his family couldn't quite agree on where he was and what he was doing at the time of the murder. Did anyone elses alibi fall to pieces in such a shambolic way?

It wasn't the police who convicted him though was it, it was a jury of his peers, even after having one of the most high profile lawyers in Scotland defend him.

In an era of Pay-and-go mobile phones, it's highly unlikely a teenager would call a premium rate phone number to find out the time if he was indeed at home surrounded by clocks. I don't believe there is any 'innocent' explanation for that. Common sense dictates he was not at home was paying premium rate for the exact time as he had to get his story straight.

Ok - but I am assuming the police suspected him quite quickly so what do they think he did with his clothes and shoes? He would have presumably be covered in blood? As far as you know what forensics were there to link him to the attack ? Genuine questions as I admitted I am not all together familiar with the case.

[Neil]

Nowhere in this article does it mention people phoning the speaking clock while at home, which is what was unusual about Luke's calls to it. If anything your article confirms my point, the Tories wanted to avoid paying the premium rate costs so why would a teenager with a pay and go mobile want to waste his credit on it if there were other clocks available?

"as this artical will show theres nothing starnge about phoning the speaking clock."

If there's nothing strange about it, it wouldn't be a news article. 

Luke phoning the speaking clock at a time he claimed to be at home is terribly damning and there's nothing you can do to make the fact go away.

Nice to see you back Doctor.  I wonder if there was any evidence of Luke having phoned the speaking clock on other occasions. Perhaps it was something he often did!?!

[nugnug]

theres abslutly no forensic evedence to link him to the vrime scene.

but plenty to link other people to it.

[nugnug]

Nice to see you back Doctor.  I wonder if there was any evidence of Luke having phoned the speaking clock on other occasions. Perhaps it was something he often did!?!

acording to his mum he phoned it all the time.

[Neil]

Ok - but I am assuming the police suspected him quite quickly so what do they think he did with his clothes and shoes? He would have presumably be covered in blood? As far as you know what forensics were there to link him to the attack ? Genuine questions as I admitted I am not all together familiar with the case.

There was a suggestion that the clothes were burnt in the Mitchell's garden.  Neighbours spoke of odd burning smells. No evidence was recovered, to confirm this.

[nugnug]

the log burner was taken examid and no forensic evedence was found.

[Jan]

There was a suggestion that the clothes were burnt in the Mitchell's garden.  Neighbours spoke of odd burning smells. No evidence was recovered, to confirm this.

well there would have been evidence to support this I would have thought - bound to be some remains. So no proof there then.

[Neil]

acording to his mum he phoned it all the time.

Were they able to prove this?

[nugnug]

if i raccal corectly what corrine said i think she did have proof but the defence did not bring it up.

dont take that as gospel though my memory maybe wrong.

[Neil]

well there would have been evidence to support this I would have thought - bound to be some remains. So no proof there then.

There would have been plenty of time to dispose of any incriminating evidence.

On a more general note, I'm not sure that many mothers would lie, in order to get their child off of a murder charge, if they thought there was a chance that they were indeed, guilty.  Well, I know that my mother wouldn't anyway!